<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358</id><updated>2011-08-04T19:54:03.205+12:00</updated><category term='media'/><category term='myth'/><category term='finkelstein'/><category term='indigenous'/><category term='gisborne herald'/><category term='missing truth'/><category term='race relations'/><category term='michael kuttner'/><category term='human rights'/><category term='nobel'/><category term='genocide'/><category term='david swartz'/><category term='distortion'/><category term='debate'/><category term='palestine'/><category term='evidence'/><category term='nuclear'/><category term='kirsty walker'/><category term='wall'/><category term='feedback'/><category term='holocaust'/><category term='benny morris'/><category term='jews'/><category term='lies'/><category term='nazis'/><category term='israel'/><category term='mossad'/><category term='misquotation'/><category term='letters'/><category term='masada'/><category term='islamophobia'/><category term='bias'/><category term='balance'/><category term='balanced'/><category term='bedouin'/><category term='fence'/><category term='kbrmrebutted'/><category term='friends'/><category term='self determination'/><category term='apartheid'/><category term='deaths'/><category term='1948'/><category term='coloniser'/><category term='racism'/><category term='IDF'/><category term='UN'/><category term='occupation'/><category term='violation'/><category term='goldstone'/><category term='aldaily'/><category term='falsehoods'/><category term='peace'/><category term='kirsty walker kbrm'/><category term='rodney brooks'/><category term='simon kuttner'/><category term='cheats'/><category term='aipac'/><category term='shit'/><category term='oppression'/><category term='United Nations'/><category term='civilian'/><category term='honest reporting'/><category term='root of the conflict'/><category term='otago daily times'/><category term='white phosphorous'/><category term='kbrm.org'/><category term='charter'/><category term='propaganda'/><category term='conflict'/><category term='ethnic cleansing'/><category term='casualties'/><category term='war crimes'/><category term='nazi. nazis'/><category term='Gaza'/><category term='media bias'/><category term='anniversary'/><category term='kbrm'/><category term='victim'/><category term='palestinian authority'/><category term='Kiwis'/><category term='racist'/><category term='civilians'/><category term='nazi'/><category term='victimhood'/><category term='hamas'/><title type='text'>KBRM rebutted</title><subtitle type='html'>"To put it bluntly but accurately, most if not all the Jews who returned to create the Zionist state had no rights whatsoever to the land of Palestine...the notion that there are two peoples with an equal claim to the same land does not bear serious examination." "Zionism: the real enemy of the Jews" Alan Hart p28</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>32</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-6911999608279878444</id><published>2011-02-09T21:35:00.000+13:00</published><updated>2011-02-09T21:35:39.939+13:00</updated><title type='text'>KBRM hasbara exposed</title><content type='html'>KBRM have published yet another advertisement in at least one of our daily newspapers.  Although some take the money and run (NZ Herald, bow your head in shame) others take a more principled stand and reject the self-serving lies, misinformation and disinformation that so characterises the Israel public relations efforts.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, this is but a necessity for Israel, because it would stand condemned by the facts if it didn't attempt to "spin" the truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The latest advertisement is titled: Top five lies about Israel (all dramatically in upper case, naturally).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's look at the No 1 lie (according to KBRM):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Jewish settlements are an obstacle to peace.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And their "truth":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Even the US has recognised that a settlement freeze will not lead to progress on the core issues, primary of which is Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state with Jerusalem as its capital. Before 1967 there were no settlements and yet there was no peace. Houses can always be torn down after borders are determined. Or maybe Jews could be allowed in a Palestinian state, as Israel has accepted its 1.4 million Arab citizens.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what is the truth?  The real truth?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Israel's settlements are illegal under international law, and have declared so by resolution of the United Nations General Assembly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although the US does not set international law, Obama in Cairo (June 4 2009) said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even Israel's greatest ally is emphatic that ongoing settlement construction&lt;br /&gt;"are an obstacle to peace."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Under the Oslo peace agreement, construction was meant to stop forthwith, but it never did. The settlements existing at the time of Oslo in international law remained illegal, although their fate was to be determined in the "Final Status" negotiations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's well known that Israel works to establish "facts on the ground" that, they hope, are impossible to undo.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(to be continued)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-6911999608279878444?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.kbrm.org.nz/adverts.html' title='KBRM hasbara exposed'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/6911999608279878444/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2011/02/kbrm-hasbara-exposed.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6911999608279878444'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6911999608279878444'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2011/02/kbrm-hasbara-exposed.html' title='KBRM hasbara exposed'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-7533876321119747442</id><published>2010-08-22T21:30:00.000+12:00</published><updated>2010-08-22T21:30:34.864+12:00</updated><title type='text'>Crocodile tears from cynical KBRM</title><content type='html'>It's embarrassingly easy to hoist KBRM with their own petard.  I have highlighted just one word in the item copied from the KBRM website, the letter proudly displayed as KBRM's letter of the Month.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Letter of the Month&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;July 9, 2010&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What a contrast.&lt;br /&gt;Remember when Israel stopped the protest flotilla? (31 May) &lt;b&gt;Sadly&lt;/b&gt; 9 protestors were killed battling with soldiers. The next day (1 June) the UN condemned Israel, The Times - HERE&lt;br /&gt;The UN Secretary-General said he was shocked by the killings and demanded answers urgently. The UN Security Council demanded an explanation. In “outrage” the Security Council members broke off from their “spring holiday” and held an emergency session calling for a ‘prompt, impartial, credible, transparent’ investigation.&lt;br /&gt;In contrast to that on March 26th a South Korean boat was sunk and 46 were killed. The UN calmly undertook a careful detailed enquiry lasting a month. Finally last Thursday they “reached agreement on the text” of a statement. A ‘draft statement’ that “stops short of directly blaming North Korea”. In fact it doesn't identify who is responsible, or “have the clout of resolutions”, it just goes “on record” and nicely “emphasizes the need to maintain peace and stability in the larger region”. What a contrast.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That this is evidence of crocodile tears is apparent by another letter proudly displayed on KBRM's website:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Submitted to The Press on March 13 (short version of the letter of March 11 that was rejected)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I love Rosemary McLeod's column, but she missed the mark when she said Gazans ‘were entitled to their anger’ because of the lopsided body count (March 5). In fact, body count has nothing to do with who's right or wrong (compare with World War II). &lt;b&gt;If you persist in throwing stones at a lion, you should expect to get bitten.&lt;/b&gt;(emphasis added)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Printed March 16&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;KBRM is a deeply cynical, albeit tiny, organisation (85 members, according to a spokesman in a Radio New Zealand interview).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Despite their protestations, it's difficult to believe that such a small number can finance the deluge of advertisement they subject us to.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-7533876321119747442?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/7533876321119747442/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2010/08/crocodile-tears-from-cynical-kbrm.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/7533876321119747442'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/7533876321119747442'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2010/08/crocodile-tears-from-cynical-kbrm.html' title='Crocodile tears from cynical KBRM'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-7401197788598769557</id><published>2010-06-07T14:16:00.001+12:00</published><updated>2010-06-07T14:26:00.636+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hamas'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='IDF'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gaza'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='deaths'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestinian authority'/><title type='text'>The inhumanity of KBRM principals exposed</title><content type='html'>KBRM criticises the reports from Palestinian Authority (no friend of Hamas, in case the state of virtual civil war has escaped their notice) on the numbers of males killed on the basis of nothing other than a bald assumption.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it ignores testimony given by Palestinians and IDF soldiers as to the nature of the attack - that anyone and everything was considered a legitimate target.  There are many, many, documented instances of civilians being bombed for no reason, being ordered to leave a location and killed in the process, of being ordered into a different location then shelled and killed.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The high male death toll is quite simply explained in terms of husbands and fathers simply doing their duty, and placing themselves at risk trying, futilely, to find save haven for their loved ones.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How the IDF arrives at it's figures is simple:  Israel treats every male Palestinian in Gaza as a Hamas fighter, even though the estimate of the actual number of trained Hamas fighters vary widely, &lt;a href="http://www.armed-groups.org/6/section.aspx/ViewGroup?id=57"&gt;it is probably less than 20,000&lt;/a&gt; out of a total adult male population of Gaza of about 500,000.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Given the reluctance of Hamas to engage in mass confrontation during the Gaza attack, and the widespread destruction caused by the IDF, the PA figures do indeed appear very credible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And to blithely argue, as KBRM does, that civilian deaths are acceptable when compared to major wars ignores the fact that Palestinians do not possess an army.  Hamas' military wing is merely a lightly armed milita.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the only way Israel and its apologists like KBRM can justify Israel's crimes against humanity is to cite the crimes of others - illustrative of complete a lack of moral standards.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-7401197788598769557?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/7401197788598769557/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2010/06/inhumanity-of-kbrm-principals-exposed.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/7401197788598769557'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/7401197788598769557'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2010/06/inhumanity-of-kbrm-principals-exposed.html' title='The inhumanity of KBRM principals exposed'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-3057082120330127282</id><published>2010-02-09T13:46:00.006+13:00</published><updated>2010-02-09T14:14:50.134+13:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gaza'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='masada'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='goldstone'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='shit'/><title type='text'>More on KBRM Gaza lies (cont)</title><content type='html'>The advertisement then complained about &lt;blockquote&gt;uncorroborated allegations of war crimes against both Israel and Hamas &lt;/blockquote&gt;by the &lt;a href="http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsession/9/FactFindingMission.htm"&gt;United Nations Fact Finding Mission of the Gaza Incident&lt;/a&gt;, headed by renowned international jurist, Justice Richard Goldstone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, the &lt;a href="http://www.historyofisrael.info/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=135&amp;Itemid=43"&gt;report&lt;/a&gt; if one bothered to read it, very carefully details its sources for alleged criminal acts on both sides.  Israel, of course, refused to cooperate, to the extent of refusing access to the Goldstone committee not only to IDF participant but to Israel itself, even for just transit purposes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The United Nations were also very careful in ensuring that the committee appointed, especially its world renowned head, Goldstone, is, from Israel's perspective beyond reproach - of course, that was before.  Now he is no doubt a &lt;a href="http://www.historyofisrael.info/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=135&amp;Itemid=43"&gt;Self Hating and Israel Threatening (SHIT)&lt;/a&gt; Jew, and yes, if you are curious, Goldstone &lt;a href="http://www.masada2000.org/list-G.html"&gt;has made the list&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How do my friends at &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz"&gt;KBRM&lt;/a&gt; react to the Goldstone report?  By referring to the IDF's own cursory investigation, which, and we will not be surprised at this, naturally finds Israel without fault.  I read an interesting analogy on this line of (non?)reasoning employed by Israel: it is akin to murdering someone in our civilian lives, and selecting our own Judge and jury to cast judgment on our crime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, as always, I am interested in the words employed by &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz"&gt;KBRM&lt;/a&gt; found fully 83% of the documented Goldstone "most serious" alleged breaches of international law had simply &lt;blockquote&gt;no basis in fact&lt;/blockquote&gt;and the remainder were merely &lt;blockquote&gt;operational errors and mistakes&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While one could be forgiven for raising an eyebrow at these ludicrously one-sided findings, here is something to ponder:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to the IDF, 1400 mainly civilian Palestinians were deliberately targeted and killed, unless of course, all six &lt;blockquote&gt;mistakes&lt;/blockquote&gt;were responsible. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's move on, as KBRM does, to study the issue of credibility.  No, this is not the credibility of the Goldstone report, but the credibility of Hamas, a legitimate resistance organisation to Israel's belligerent occupation of what is left of Palestinian land (in reality, now about 20% of the 22% internationally recognised as forming the basis of the future State of Palestine).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a common tactic of Israeli propaganda - to justify it's own actions in terms of the actions of its opponents.  The quick answer is the old aphorism of "two wrongs don't make a right."  Hamas' credibility is irrelevant.  Both the United Nations and major NGO's such as Human Rights Watch, which gives its view &lt;a href="http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/12/26/israelgaza-one-year-after-hostilities-abuses-unpunished"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even more invalid comparisons can be seen in this Jerusalem Post &lt;a href="http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/12/26/israelgaza-one-year-after-hostilities-abuses-unpunished"&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; that, naturally, finds Israel always acted morally.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Time for a break before I move onto the most offensive sections of &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz"&gt;KBRM&lt;/a&gt;'s &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/adverts.html#ten"&gt;advertisement&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-3057082120330127282?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.kbrm.org.nz/adverts.html#ten' title='More on KBRM Gaza lies (cont)'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/3057082120330127282/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2010/02/more-on-kbrm-gaza-lies.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/3057082120330127282'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/3057082120330127282'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2010/02/more-on-kbrm-gaza-lies.html' title='More on KBRM Gaza lies (cont)'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-7866485602630131355</id><published>2010-01-29T17:34:00.001+13:00</published><updated>2010-02-02T02:07:38.275+13:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gaza'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war crimes'/><title type='text'>KBRM persists in lies about Gaza massacre</title><content type='html'>Click on the post title to view the recent advertisement by &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz"&gt;KBRM&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It would be an interesting exercise to follow the money trail behind &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz"&gt;KBRM&lt;/a&gt;, as it appears to have had a recent influx of money enabling it to publish yet more untruths.  I would not be surprised if that money trail lead directly to Israel as it appears to have commenced a concerted campaign to discredit the Goldstone Report.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As it happens, I addressed much of this advertisement in my very first &lt;a href="http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/02/down-to-business.html"&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; on this site, nearly one year ago, in reply to a similar advertisement, and many other points are simply revisiting previous posts, but I will take the time to reply in full.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As usual with our hasbara (Israeli term for propagandists, I believe) friends of Israel, the lies begin immediately.  I quote from the advertisement:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The Gaza war that ended on January 18, 2009, was Israel's response to a five-year long rocket barrage that had killed 19 citizens and wounded hundreds more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This was my response to this allegation &lt;a href="http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-05-10T14%3A41%3A00%2B12%3A00&amp;max-results=7"&gt;previously&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;And the claim of enduring four years of rocket fire compelling a response misses the truth that in the six months leading up to the massacre, a ceasefire was in place, adhered to by Hamas but deliberately broken by Israel to provoke more rocket fire. I question the wisdom of Hamas' response to Israeli provocation but make no judgment as I am not subject to brutal occupation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I see that in the intervening period from April last year the period of the rocket fire has been extended by one year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But just to provide even more context, the ceasefire was predicated on the terms that Hamas would ensure rocket fire ceased and Israel would at least ease the crippling medieval-style siege imposed on Gaza after Hamas, then the legally elected governing party of the Occupied Palestinian Territories, preempted a planned, US and Israel supported, Fatah coup.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will discuss later war crimes in the context of the Gaza attack, but this siege is itself a war crime in that it is collective punishment imposed on a people for events beyond their control.  It is a war crime for an occupying power, as Israel is of Gaza and the West Bank, to impose collective punishment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not only did Israel not ease the siege, they tightened the noose.  Regardless, Hamas still expected that the ceasefire would be extended.  They had not planned on the cowardly surprise attack by Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the main point is that far from a sustained "barrage" from Gaza, the rockets were quiescient until Israel launched a murderous attack into Gaza, as they continue to do to this day, and Hamas allowed some rocket fire to recommence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To be continued...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-7866485602630131355?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.kbrm.org.nz/adverts.html#ten' title='KBRM persists in lies about Gaza massacre'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/7866485602630131355/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2010/01/post-pending.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/7866485602630131355'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/7866485602630131355'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2010/01/post-pending.html' title='KBRM persists in lies about Gaza massacre'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-1957567549869332026</id><published>2009-10-31T22:41:00.000+13:00</published><updated>2009-10-31T22:41:01.208+13:00</updated><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What the BBC won't show: Israel Targets Children&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.inminds.com/2006.07.15.1l.lebanese.kids.murdered.jpg.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="276" src="http://www.inminds.com/2006.07.15.1s.lebanese.kids.murdered.jpg.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.inminds.com/2006.07.15.2l.lebanese.kids.murdered.jpg.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="270" src="http://www.inminds.com/2006.07.15.2s.lebanese.kids.murdered.jpg.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.inminds.com/2006.07.15.3l.lebanese.kids.murdered.jpg.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="267" src="http://www.inminds.com/2006.07.15.3s.lebanese.kids.murdered.jpg.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.inminds.com/2006.07.15.4l.lebanese.kids.murdered.jpg.jpg" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="267" src="http://www.inminds.com/2006.07.15.4s.lebanese.kids.murdered.jpg.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;                                   Yesterday (15 July 2006) Israel gave the people of Ter Hafra village in South Lebanon two hours to leave their village or face destruction. Those who were able to flee went to the nearby UN base. The UN refused to shelter these children, not wanting to take responsibility after the Qana massacre in 1996 when Israel massacred the civilians taking shelter in the UN headquaters. Left on the open road without shelter these fleeing civilians made easy picking for the Israeli airforce with their US donated F-16 fighter planes. Most of the victims were children, their bodies burnt in the precision targeted missle attack. The photos are from Associated Press but it seems no western media is prepared to show them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;Original Source: &lt;a href="http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-have-just-received-these-pictures.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-have-just-received-these-pictures.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Action Alert:                                      &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ihrc.org.uk/show.php?id=1948" target="_blank"&gt;Protest Israeli war against Lebanon and Gaza  &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-1957567549869332026?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/1957567549869332026/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-bbc-wont-show-israel-targets.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/1957567549869332026'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/1957567549869332026'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-bbc-wont-show-israel-targets.html' title=''/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-3672581595904085547</id><published>2009-08-29T20:46:00.007+12:00</published><updated>2009-09-07T22:16:44.156+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='victimhood'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coloniser'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='oppression'/><title type='text'>KBRM's July Letter of the Month</title><content type='html'>&lt;span id="red"&gt;This little gem is currently prominently displayed on the home page of &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/"&gt;KBRM&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It remains in its exalted position even through August, so it obviously struck a chord with the principals of KBRM.  Problem is, it is replete with the usual religious myths recounted as historical facts and yet again paints a powerful, hegemonic war machine called Israel as victims - yes, the cult of victimhood remains alive and well in Israel.  Pity the oppressor!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, please read the letter and I will respond in detail below (I have added paragraph breaks to make it more reader-friendly).    &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span id="red"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span id="red" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;July 2, 2009&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Kudos for the excellent ad in today's Herald. It is very sad, I must stay, that KBRM has to pay in order to expose dishonest reporting. Why do they hate us so much?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; I have been made refugee because I was Jewish. First my ancestors were forced to leave the land of Israel after the destruction of the second temple by the Romans. They found a new home in the welcoming Iberian peninsula, where they flourished in art, science and commerce. But then King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, under pressure from the Catholic Church and their inquisitors drove my family out of Spain in what is known as the expulsion of the Jews from Spain and Portugal at the end of the 15 th century.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; They managed to get out alive and settled in North Africa, in Casablanca precisely where I was born. Life was good, but the ‘euphoria’ was short lived. The French Colonialism ended in 1956 and Morocco declared its independence. As soon as the last French officer left, the Arabs turned their anger towards the Jews of Morocco. We were forced to leave everything behind us and emigrated to Israel to start a new life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For my family , as for hundred of thousands of other Jewish families, it meant closure! It meant returning to our homeland after being abused, rejected, persecuted and expelled from every other country. We joined an extended family already residing in Jerusalem. They were there in Israel. They've always been there, a part of that land, long before Muslims came and claimed any rights. Long before Rome changed my country's name into Palestine, long before the western world got blinded by the petrodollars and dropped its moral values. I served in the army to defend my country against daily Arab aggression. Against prejudice. Against anti-Semitism. I helped build a modern and prosperous country- The new State of Israel, on what used to be the kingdom of Judah and Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I contributed to the ungrateful world, in science and medicine. In arts and music. In Biotechnology and Hi-tech. In humanitarian efforts, desalinisation of water, agriculture and the list goes on. In fact we Jews and Israelis account for 1/3 of all intellectual property and patents in the world. Yet we represent only 1/4 of a percent (0.25%) of the entire population on this planet. Me thinks; Can you please tell me why they hate me so much?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Please let us know how can this household help KBRM in any way?&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best regards&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;I commented on the KBRM advertisement this letter referred to in my preceding post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My objections?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's start with the nonsense of a mass expulsion by the Romans.  Like with the so-called Exodus, so popularised by the fiction writer Leon Uris, there is no historical record of such an event by a civilisation that put great store in record keeping.  It was, like the miracles of the New Testament, invented at a later date to manufacture a history.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then there is another myth, the myth of the great biblical nation nation of Israel, for which not only does no archaeological evidence (other than distortions of dedicated Zionists) exist, but archaeological evidence does exist which disproves the biblical inventions (see my reading list).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it is important to understand that the adherents of Judaism who lived in Palestine (always, like Christians, a tiny minority in a pagan land) were Arab Jews.  If the New Testament Jesus actually lived, he was an Arab Jew, not the idealised European version we all grew up with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The letter writer uses the Spanish expulsion of 1492 as another example of Jew's status as the most victimised people ever (a claim made, I think, more justifiably by all non-Europeans slaughtered, dispossessed and oppressed by the all-conquering Europeans), yet Spain also expelled all Muslims.  And who took in tens of thousands of the expelled Jews?  The Ottoman Empire, including Palestine.  And again, the Jews in Spain were Mizrahi Jews - semitic Jews - not the European variety now in power in Palestine '48.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As far as the Romans changing the name of Palestine (supposedly from Israel?) is concerned, I think the truth is that Romans actually adopted the name in use in a conquered area and "Romanised" it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now then, don't you just love the turn of phrase of the "western world blinded by the petrodollars and dropped its moral values"?&amp;nbsp;  That compliment aside, at last we have something we can agree on!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's have a look at some instances of the western world, blinded by petrodollars, did indeed dropped it's moral values.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;IN 1953, the US and Britain organised a coup against a democratically elected government led by Prime Minister, Mohammed Mossadeq.  More details are &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; but basically it was an argument over ownership of Iran's oil.  In the words of that famous poster: &lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rzs/1452119280/"&gt;how did our oil get under their sand? &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then there is the ongoing support for dictators like Mubarak (no oil to speak of, but strategically placed in an oil rich region), Saddam Hussein, and, well, any Arab regime you care to mention, really.  Then we have Venezuela and their generals.  And, not least, from 1967 and especially after 1973, unquestioning support for Israel, especially, and shamefully, from the United States of America.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Talking about Israel, let's move to the letter writer's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;defend&lt;/span&gt;[ing]&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; my country against daily Arab aggression.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;It is simply the genius of the Jewish propaganda machine which has enabled Arab resistance to the Jewish conquering and colonisation of historic Palestine to be reframed as aggression on the part of the indigenous Arab population.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now I understand how difficult it is to overturn a lifetime of conditioning from undoubtedly one of the greatest propaganda exercises in history, to see through the smoke and mirrors and set the conflict in its true historical perspective.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And understand that the western world not only was complicit, but actively assisted in one last great colonising project, which, as colonising projects always do, ignore the human rights of the local, indigenous population, resulting in slaughter, dispossession and oppression.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now let's consider the final paragraph, a long anguished cry of perpetual victimhood.  An &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ungrateful world&lt;/span&gt;?  What a strange comment to make about a world that has accorded Israel its dubious legitimacy in the family of nations and remains, sadly, supportive of a state that, if it was a Muslim nation, would long ago have been placed at the top of the list of rogue states.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then the letter writer seems to be saying that a disproportionate contribution to science, technology and the arts somehow outweighs the tremendous wrong done to Palestinians.  Of course it does not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Why do they hate us so much?  &lt;/span&gt;Read the above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact is that Israelis live in a world of willful self-delusion,  perpetuating gross injustice for the most base of human motivations - the greed of the oppressive coloniser.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-3672581595904085547?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/3672581595904085547/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/08/kbrms-july-letter-of-month.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/3672581595904085547'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/3672581595904085547'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/08/kbrms-july-letter-of-month.html' title='KBRM&apos;s July Letter of the Month'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-6166669460549335887</id><published>2009-07-04T15:56:00.003+12:00</published><updated>2009-08-05T21:56:23.117+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='self determination'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><title type='text'>A reluctant rebuttal</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="bolder"&gt;I have reproduced below, in full, an article posted on the  KBRM website. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="bolder"&gt;I hesitated to address the article as any help accorded Palestinians, deprived as they are of their country, their freedom and their hope for a future, a future we tend to take for granted as being one of peace and prosperity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="bolder"&gt;As regards the writer, I have only admiration for her devotion to children's health, and nothing I write here is intended to, and should not, diminish her personally or professionally.  This is her story:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;A KIWI'S EXPERIENCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;by Dorothy Finlay&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Dorothy Finlay lives in Tauranga and is a member of Kiwis for Balanced Reporting on the Mideast. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I have spent nearly 35 years of my life in the Middle East. As a Christian with close friends among Arabs and Jews, I am literate in Arabic and can communicate in Hebrew. I have nursed in the Christian Arab sector of the Old city, in St. John Eye Hospital in Jerusalem, and Nasir Eye Hospital in Gaza in 1999. I have also worked in Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem and taught in the Arab Bethlehem University. I recently returned from Jerusalem, where I was part of an expat team helping Arab children with congenital heart disease who receive life-saving surgery from Israeli paediatric cardiac surgeons. &lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I know how issues related to Israel are always inflammatory to those who have prejudice — both religious and political. I have even seen charges of Israel's ‘oppression’ of Arabs and ‘apartheid’. I can say, on the basis of my own experience and that of others, that such charges have no basis in fact.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Following is an account of a typical day (January 20, 2009) during my most recent stay. What I saw, on this day — and all other days — was quite the opposite of ‘oppression’ and ‘apartheid’.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;hr style="font-style: italic;" width="50%"&gt;   &lt;img style="font-style: italic;" src="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/Posts/2009/Abdullah_Siam.jpg" alt="Abdullah Siam" width="373" height="408" /&gt; &lt;p style="font-style: italic;" class="sm"&gt; Abdullah Siam, relative of a senior Hamas leader, following life-saving heart surgery in an Israeli hospital&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="font-style: italic;" id="com"&gt;Today is another busy day for the team from Shevet Achim, an NGO that coordinates care for children from Iraq, Gaza, and the West Bank who need urgent heart surgery in Israeli hospitals.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;" id="com"&gt;As I walk through the corridors of Wolfson Children's Hospital near Tel Aviv, I see nearly as many Arab children with their mothers as Israelis. You could see they are all good friends, sharing concerns for their children. Hebrew, English and Arabic languages are interwoven in the hum everywhere as parents discuss their children with no thought of their origins.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;" id="com"&gt;Wahaj was first into the theatre for repair of a critical congenital heart condition. This bouncy two-year-old and his mother had travelled from northern Iraq to Jerusalem and had been waiting for a week for the ‘big day’. Now it is history and soon he will be able to return home with a new heart and future.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;" id="com"&gt;Havan, a very small 11-month-old from Iraq, is scheduled today for heart catheterisation. This little boy, who nearly succumbed to pneumonia en route through Jordan, now has a perpetual smile.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;" id="com"&gt;Today six children from Gaza with serious heart problems are being transported from the Erez Israel/Gaza crossing to Israeli hospitals for assessments, examinations and surgery. Last week there were ten such children in one day. Palestinian doctors, who depend on Israeli hospitals to treat these children, referred them to Dr Tamir, head of the Israeli NGO ‘Save a Child's Heart’ (SACH). Israeli surgeons with SACH provide the high tech surgery at no charge to the children.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;" id="com"&gt;Last night I accompanied a little six year old boy, Hizam, with his father back to the Gaza border, twelve days following radical heart surgery. While at the border, as we were depositing him and his father, the alarm came over the intercom for us to leave quickly. There was a loud noise and in the sky we saw a rocket that had been launched in the direction of S'derot, an Israeli town 10 km from Erez. It fell short and landed in a field. It gave me a small sense of the fear and tension that is felt every time HAMAS fires at Israel, sometimes 10-20 times a day.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;" id="com"&gt;I asked Hizam's father about his attitude to coming to Israel from Gaza. He was so happy. ‘Everyone is willing to help a sick child’, he said.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;" id="com"&gt;Today there are also several Palestinian children from Hebron to be examined and treated by sensitive and loving Israeli nurses and doctors who provide skilled professional care, served with a generous dollop of kindness and compassion.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;" id="com"&gt;Abdullah Siam (see photo) is a close relative of a senior Hamas leader who was operated on earlier. He is now packed up waiting to return to Gaza following life-saving heart surgery. Yes, even as Hamas is launching rockets at Israel and as the war in Gaza is pounding away, this child received the same loving care as the other children.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;hr style="font-style: italic;" width="50%"&gt;  &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Headquarters of Shevet Achim is in central Jerusalem, surrounded by Arab and Orthodox Jewish families. Next door construction work goes on and overcrowded buses and taxis ply the narrow road, known as Prophet Street. The children and parents are transported to the hospitals in Tel Aviv by Shevet drivers and are always accompanied by their staff.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New Zealand has provided a number of volunteers over recent years, living in an historic stone building where the first-ever children's hospital was established in Jerusalem in the 1860's. The mothers, children and expatriate staff share the facilities like a big family.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Prayers and love are the special ingredients that characterise this unusual organisation. Shevet Achim in Hebrew means ‘Brothers Together’. It demonstrates the common goals linking us with the Israeli staff, who also believe God wants to save these little lives and send them back to their families, healthy, with a future and a hope.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;All in all, Save a Child's Heart has brought more than 1,700 children from 28 countries to Israel for life-saving heart surgery. More than half of the patients have been Palestinians, Jordanians and Iraqis. The families of these children understand full well the true situation in Israel. As the mother of an Iraqi child treated in 2007 said, ‘Israel is a good country. It's a country that has mercy on other people.’ Yet this mother would not give her last name for fear of retribution from Islamic militants who reject Israel's existence.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;Israel, within its "Green Line" boundary, which is actually an armistice line, but is nevertheless Israel's internationally recognised boundary, has a Palestinian-Arab population of about 1.2 million, or 20% of the population.  There are many heart-warming stories of cooperation between Israelis and Palestinians, but they are, in fact, notable as exceptions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As the recognised occupying power of the Palestinian territories, Israel is legally obliged to cater for the medical needs of the territories, but outside of the work of charities and NGO's, my understanding is that Israel charges the Palestinian Authority for any treatment in Israeli hospitals, with occasional, well publicised exceptions where fees are waived.  Consequently, the PA prefers to send patients on longer journeys to Egypt, which provides all treatment free of charge. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Furthermore, it is well documented that Israel interrogates all applicants for treatment in Israel in an attempt to both extract information and to convert the applicant into informer for Israel.  This leads to unfortunate tension when these patients return home.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.phr.org.il/phr/"&gt;Physicians for Human Rights-Israel &lt;/a&gt;documents the harsh realities on the ground of providing medical assistance to the occupied Palestinian territories in the face of official Israeli resistance and hostility.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And is it just me, or is there something obscene in Israel proclaiming it's morality in providing medical care for Palestinians when the cause of treatment being required is more often than not Israel attacks on a defenseless population?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many Israelis and KBRM seize upon cooperation such as that described in the above article, and stories of Jews and Palestinians happily socialising in coffee bars, etc., as negating allegations of oppression and apartheid.  All I ask is this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;If Israelis and Palestinians socialise together, work together, live together in that small land of Palestine '48, coexisting and cooperating so very very well, as Israel is always at pains to publicise, why don't Israel, the West Bank and Gaza simply fold into one country, one state?  Why the Apartheid Wall?  Why the laws that so very clearly discriminate against Palestinians?  Why the ongoing oppression and dispossession of Palestinians as epitomised by the settler (read coloniser) activity and violence?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;The membership of Fatah, Hamas and other resistance groups combined (although it appears Fatah has transformed from a resistance group to a quisling movement, not uncommon in colonisation histories) numbers some 60,000 strong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the Palestinian population of the territories numbers some 5,000,000, thereabouts.  So if the excuse for not transforming Israel from a violent, oppressive, colonising and hegemonic power in the Middle East is fear of the resistance groups, what about the remaining 4,940,000, thereabouts, Palestinians who just want to go home and live in peace?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why not open the question up to a referendum amongst Palestinians?  After all, Israel's Jews exercised their rights to self-determination via guns, tanks and planes, so why not allow Palestinians to exercise their right to self-determination through the ballot box?  Too peaceful?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the meantime, Dorothy, keep up the good work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;!-- window ends--&gt; &lt;!-- box ends--&gt;       &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-6166669460549335887?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/6166669460549335887/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/07/reluctant-rebuttal.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6166669460549335887'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6166669460549335887'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/07/reluctant-rebuttal.html' title='A reluctant rebuttal'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-2617945518880121187</id><published>2009-05-26T14:48:00.004+12:00</published><updated>2009-05-26T15:06:01.746+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gaza'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='civilian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='balance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><title type='text'>Israel and balance, just for KBRM</title><content type='html'>Below is an extract from a letter posted as a &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/contact.html"&gt;Selected Letter&lt;/a&gt; by KBRM.&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reports that show damage to civilian areas and people after an Israeli military response are one sided. What isn't shown is that from the very same location rockets have recently and at times repeatedly been launched into civilian areas in Israel.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am very happy to inject some balance into reports from Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, especially as KBRM fails so miserably at this on its own website. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Click the link below and take a tour of Gaza and Israel.  A journey from the hell of an occupied territory to the relative peace and security of the occupier. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story"&gt;http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't think I need to comment further, but you may like to.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-2617945518880121187?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/2617945518880121187/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/05/israel-and-balance-just-for-kbrm.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/2617945518880121187'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/2617945518880121187'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/05/israel-and-balance-just-for-kbrm.html' title='Israel and balance, just for KBRM'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-2053211366118979303</id><published>2009-05-13T01:06:00.005+12:00</published><updated>2009-05-15T00:48:31.105+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='United Nations'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='anniversary'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cheats'/><title type='text'>Anniversary of admission of Israel to United Nations: Ban Ki-Moon speech</title><content type='html'>United Nations General Assembly,&lt;br /&gt;New York, NY&lt;br /&gt;11 May 2009&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mr. President&lt;br /&gt;Excellencies,&lt;br /&gt;Ladies and Gentlemen:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With each passing year, we come closer to our past. Every year brings with it momentous anniversaries of events that shaped our world. For example, we have recently marked the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II and of the United Nations itself. These two events, inextricably linked, form the basis of what we have come to know as the modern era, the post-war era.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For me, as Secretary–General, looking back on where the UN started and where it is now has a special importance, for I am now charged with guiding the world body through unknown and uncertain territory. “Terrorism” has long since replaced “arms control” and “détente” as the focus of international security, yet the term defies definition. One country’s terrorist is another country’s revolutionary hero. Some insist that terrorists are opposed to democracy, but we have all seen democracies behave like terrorists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In many ways, the world today does not seem to be very removed from the barbarity of world war. The invasion of Iraq has lasted longer than World War II, and more tons of bombs have been dropped on that poor country than all the bombs dropped in that great war. The International Declaration of Human Rights, so prized and venerated by men and women of honour everywhere, stands as an impotent relic of a forgotten time because conquest, cruelty, and arrogance are still with us and growing stronger.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For all of the good the UN has accomplished since its founding, and there have been successes, the sheer magnitude of human suffering and violations of international law that have occurred and are still occurring must also be taken into account.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Few people know that Israel is the only state to be given a conditional admission. Under General Assembly Resolution 273, Israel was admitted on the condition that it grant all Palestinians the right to return to their homes and receive compensation for lost or damaged property, according to General Assembly Resolution 194 paragraph 11. Suffice to say, Israel has never lived up to these terms, and never intended to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For 60 years Israel has violated its terms of admission, and for 60 years the UN has done nothing about it. It has watched as Israel heaped misery upon misery on Palestine, and violated international law with impunity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After “Operation Cast Lead,” no person, no country, no democracy can look at Israel without thinking of the inhuman slaughter and destruction committed by the axis powers in World War II, though one could have said the same about numerous past massacres. What atrocities might the world have been spared if the UN had refused to admit Israel 60 years ago?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, the immediate post war world was a different time. The world had just witnessed the horrors of Hitler’s racist excesses, and collective Western guilt for the Holocaust dictated attitudes toward the idea of Jewish state. Even the UN could not withstand the moral pressure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On Nov. 29, 1947, it passed General Assembly Resolution 181, “The Partition Plan,” to carve a Jewish state out of Arab Palestine. However, it was never ratified by the Security Council, and so does not exist in law, which means the UN played no role in the creation of Israel. Nevertheless, “The Partition Plan” was utterly illegal and a violation of the UN Charter, because the UN had no right or power to take land from one people and give it to another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If it hopes to play a meaningful role in the 21st century, the UN must do more than simply promise to enact reforms. It must search deep within its soul to redress the fundamental violations of its founding principles, which have long since ceased to have any force. That recommitment must begin now, for it was 60 years ago today, May 11, 1949, that Israel became a member of the UN. The UN cannot hope to achieve any measure of peace or justice as long as it condones war crimes, which it does every day that Israel is allowed to flout its terms of admission.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The past cannot be undone, but the future can change. As its newly elected Secretary-General, I promise that the UN will no longer be a passive enabler of genocide. Therefore, I will ask the General Assembly to meet in special session at the earliest possible time to strip Israel of its membership.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ordinarily, a motion to expel a member nation would have to come at the recommendation of the Security Council, but this is not an ordinary motion. Because Israel is in violation of its terms of admission, it is not a member in good standing, so the UN has every right to declare General Assembly Resolution 273 null and void. Since Israel’s membership depends on adherence to that resolution, its expulsion is automatic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Essentially, the unavoidable, lamentable truth of the last six decades is that the UN has been a moral and political failure because it has refused to enforce its own rules and defend the Charter. Nothing the UN does can have any value as long as this illegitimate member occupies a place in the General Assembly. I want the UN to have value.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I count on your support...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;( Comment: and who says &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;cheats never prosper&lt;/span&gt;? )&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-2053211366118979303?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/2053211366118979303/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/05/anniversary-of-admission-of-israel-to.html#comment-form' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/2053211366118979303'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/2053211366118979303'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/05/anniversary-of-admission-of-israel-to.html' title='Anniversary of admission of Israel to United Nations: Ban Ki-Moon speech'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-2601958471590045599</id><published>2009-05-10T14:41:00.011+12:00</published><updated>2009-05-11T02:14:35.894+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='islamophobia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='racism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><title type='text'>KBRM: a racist organisation?</title><content type='html'>&lt;p  style="color: rgb(128, 0, 128);font-size:80%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span id="red" class="s"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;In this post I reproduce a letter approvingly published by KBRM that is a picture perfect example of hate speech, demonstrating racism in the form of Islamophobia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  style="color: rgb(128, 0, 128);font-size:80%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span id="red" class="s"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;I examine what is meant by the term Islamophobia (also spelt as Islamaphobia), rebut the content of the letter and question the motivation of Dr Rodney Brooks and his team in posting such an uninformed spiel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  style="color: rgb(128, 0, 128);font-size:80%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span id="red" class="s"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  style="color: rgb(128, 0, 128);font-size:80%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span id="red" class="s"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;But first, the letter in question:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  style="color: rgb(128, 0, 128);font-size:80%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span id="red" class="s"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  style="color: rgb(128, 0, 128);font-size:80%;"&gt;&lt;span id="red" class="s"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span id="red" class="s"&gt;Jan. 30, 2009&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Have just read your advert in today's Herald. &lt;span class="bolder"&gt; Great stuff&lt;/span&gt;. I have written several times to newspapers over the uneveness of press reports about the Middle East. Hardly any letters got published. I have come to the conclusion that Europe is more concerned with not annoying Muslim countries — quite understandable when you consider the very significant numbers of Arabs, Pakistanis, Turks, etc. living in Europe (or ‘Eurabia’) that represent a massive entrenched fifth column in time of war.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Where would Muslims loyalties lie? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;(emphasis added)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Have a guess. I am prepared to put some credence on the claims that militant Islam intends to first take over the UK in its march to dominate the secular, democratic countries of Europe.&lt;br /&gt;Please accept my support for your efforts to ‘paint in the other side of the picture’.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="lineunder"&gt;If I can join&lt;/span&gt; could you please sign me up as a KBRM member and let me know what the annual subscription is.&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;     &lt;p&gt;And KBRM attached their response to the letter: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Be assured that we appreciate what you are doing and we are doing our part here in Feilding NZ to reveal and uphold the truth over the situation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;The &lt;a href="http://www.runnymedetrust.org/"&gt;Runnymede Trust&lt;/a&gt;, a British charitable organisation, published a 1997 report that identified eight components of Islamophobia:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1) &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Islam is seen as a monolithic bloc, static and unresponsive to change.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2) I&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;slam is seen as separate and 'other'. It does not have values in common with other cultures, is not affected by them and does not influence them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; 3) &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Islam is seen as inferior to the West. It is seen as barbaric, irrational, primitive and sexist.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; 4)&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Islam is seen as violent, aggressive, threatening, supportive of terrorism and engaged in a 'clash of civilisations'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; 5) &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Islam is seen as a political ideology and is used for political or military advantage.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;6) &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Criticisms made of the West by Islam are rejected out of hand. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;7) &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Hostility towards Islam is used to justify discriminatory practices towards Muslims and exclusion of Muslims from mainstream society&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;8) &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural or normal.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thus, it's pretty clear that the KBRM letter writer is well advanced on the path to profound anti-Islamic racism - Islamophobia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;And the fact that KBRM so enthusiastically endorses the writer's view lays it open to the charge of being a racist organisation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now let's examine the letter writer's one specific question:&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Where would Muslims loyalties lie?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Fortuitously, recent research is available to answer this rather fearful question.  A recently released &lt;a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/118273/Canada-Show-Interfaith-Cohesion-Europe.aspx"&gt;Gallup&lt;/a&gt; poll, which surveyed accross 140 countries, found Muslim immigrants generally &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;more&lt;/span&gt; patriotic that the general population.  See a brief overview by &lt;a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1083892.html"&gt;Haaretz&lt;/a&gt; or a British summary in the &lt;a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/patriotic-and-homophobic-a-portrait-of-british-muslims-state-of-mind-1681062.html"&gt;Independent&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Finally, I promised a quick word on my reading of the motivation of Dr Rodney Brooks and his team of intrepid propagandists in publishing such an overtly racist letter, especially when they complain so loudly, and often quite justifiably, of the anti-semitism of some critics.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Quite frankly, I think that their racist view of both the Arabs they dispossessed and their Arab neighbours is so deeply ingrained they are simply unaware of it.  It's just a natural state of affairs for them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And for those readers inclined to accept Dr Rodney Brooks' assurance of full equality for the 1.4 million Palestinian Arabs in Israel, a quick perusal of the website &lt;a href="http://www.arabhra.org/HRA/Pages/Index.aspx?Language=2"&gt;The Arab Association for Human Rights &lt;/a&gt;will soon enlighten you as to the real state of affairs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;   &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-2601958471590045599?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.kbrm.org.nz' title='KBRM: a racist organisation?'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/2601958471590045599/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/05/kbrm-racist-organisation.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/2601958471590045599'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/2601958471590045599'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/05/kbrm-racist-organisation.html' title='KBRM: a racist organisation?'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-1928785402410135649</id><published>2009-05-02T22:29:00.006+12:00</published><updated>2009-05-13T01:40:35.225+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='peace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='missing truth'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apartheid'/><title type='text'>More textbook propaganda from KBRM</title><content type='html'>Click on the title to be taken to &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/"&gt;kbrm.org.nz&lt;/a&gt; and to their latest advertisement in their "The Missing Truth" series.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I hesitate to get drawn into these kinds of "&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;you said, he said, she said...&lt;/span&gt;" discussions. At various times, in various contexts, people say things which at another time, in another context, sound inflammatory, inhumane, and sometimes downright contradictory to positions stated previously or since.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, the advertisement illustrates again that, in reality, rather than the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;missing &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth"&gt;truth&lt;/a&gt;,  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;the KBRM advertisements are actually highly &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;subjective&lt;/span&gt;, which is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;illustrated by the selectivity exercised in the content of the advertisements.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But just to play the game, here is another selection of quotes to read in conjunction with those selected by KBRM.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="bolder"&gt;KBRM: &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;[Our Arab  neighbors] have much to give us, they are blessed by what we lack. Great  territories, ample for themselves &amp;amp; their children. We do not covet their  expanses... But if this region is to expand to the full, there must be  reciprocity, there can be mutual aid — economic, political &amp;amp; cultural  between Jew &amp;amp; Arab.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; — David Ben Gurion, 1st PM of Israel 1947&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p  style="text-align: left;font-size:90%;"&gt;KBRM rebutted:   &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;We have no connection with the Arabs. Our regime, our culture, our relations, is not the fruit of this region. There is no political affinity between us, or international solidarity.&lt;/span&gt;-David Ben Gurion, 1st PM of Israel 1952&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  style="text-align: left;font-size:90%;"&gt;KBRM:  "&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;We still call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to return to the ways of peace... we offer peace and neighborliness to all neighboring states and their peoples." &lt;/span&gt;- Israel Declaration of Independence 1948&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p size="90%" style="text-align: left;"&gt;[As usual with Israeli statements, the devil is in the detail.  The "Arab inhabitants" are the Palestinians who escaped the ethnic cleansing and who were then placed under oppressive military rule for two decades; and notable by omission is any mention of the 7-800,000 Palestinians who fled or were expelled during the war]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: left; font-size: 90%;"&gt;KBRM rebutted:  "&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Achilles heel of the Arab coalition is the Lebanon. Muslim supremacy in this country is artificial and can easily be overthrown. A Christian State ought to be set up there, with its southern frontier on the river Litani. We would sign a treaty of alliance with this State. Thus when we have broken the strength of the Arab Legion and bombed Amman, we could wipe out Transjordan; after that Syria would fall. And if Egypt still dared to make war on us, we would bomb Port Said, Alexandria and Cairo. We should thus end the war and would have but paid to Egypt, Assyria and Chaldea on behalf of our ancestors.&lt;/span&gt; David Ben Gurion, !st PM of Israel 1948&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span class="bolder"&gt;KBRM:  "&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I enter negotiations with Chairman Arafat, the leader and  representative of the Palestinian people, with the purpose of having coexistence  between our two entities, Israel as a Jewish state, and a Palestinian state,  next to us, living in peace&lt;/span&gt;." &lt;/span&gt;— Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli PM 1993&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;KBRM rebutted:  " &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I wish Gaza would fall into the sea...since that won't happen, a solution to the problem must be found&lt;/span&gt;."  Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli PM, 1992&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;KBRM:  "&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The end of Israeli control &amp;amp; responsibility for the Gaza Strip allows the Palestinians, if they so wish, to develop their economy and build a peace seeking society... The most important test the Palestinian leadership will face is in fulfilling their commitment to put an end to terror and its infrastructure...&lt;/span&gt;" Ariel Sharon, Israeli PM 2005&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;KBRM rebutted:  "&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;We'll make a pastrami sandwich of them, ... we'll insert a strip of Jewish settlements in between the Palestinians, and then another strip of Jewish settlements right across the West Bank, so that in 25 years' time, neither the United Nations nor the United States, nobody, will be able to tear it apart.&lt;/span&gt;" Ariel Sharon 1998&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;KBRM: " &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Peace is a common and enduring goal for all Israelis and Israeli Governments, mine included."&lt;/span&gt; - Binyamin Netanyahu, current PM of Israel 2009&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="bolder"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;KBRM rebutted:  Netanyahu is a master of double speak, so let's turn to what the Palestinians think of his return, here:  &lt;a href="http://www.palestinemonitor.org/spip/spip.php?article840"&gt;www.palestinemonitor.org/spip/spip.php?article840&lt;/a&gt; which opens as follows: &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;font-family:Verdana;font-size:14;"  &gt;The recent election of Former Prime Minister Benyamin ‘Bibi’ Netanyahu of the extreme right wing Likud party does not bode well for the prospects for a comprehensive and lasting peace between Israel and Palestine. In fact, it is my belief that the Israeli leadership will be only too willing to continue consolidating the status quo occupation and repression of our people.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The remainder of the article serves to illuminate some facts which make a mockery of many KBRM's claims.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So I have shown it's usually easy to find statements by the leaders selected by KBRM to place them in a less than conciliatory light.  There are many statements much more extreme which I could highlight, but I just don't see the point. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It's time for KBRM to dig their way out of the past and front up to today's reality: the increasing unwillingness of the world to stand by and watch one population, slowly shrinking into minority status in historic Palestine, live in militaristic hubris and obscene wealth while deliberately oppressing the majority purely on the grounds of race.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Is that apartheid?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Interestingly, the final Palestinian quote in the list is yet another offer of a long-term ceasefire:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="bolder"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;We are prepared to accept a Palestinian state in the 1967 boundaries only as a temporary solution, without recognizing the Zionist occupation of any inch of our homeland.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt; — Taher a-Nunu, Hamas spokesman 2009&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not many westerners know that Hamas has been offering Israel a cessation of hostilities in return for talks since 1995.  At first, the intermediary was the Palestinian Authority, but on September 23, 1997, King Hussein of Jordan sent the then and current Israeli Prime Minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, a message conveying an offer from Khalid Mishal, Hamas' political head, of a ceasefire in return for discussions under the mediation of King Hussein.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Netanyahu received the message, which is almost certain, he was not deterred from continuing with his preferred course of action, killing Mishal.  The attempt was made two days later, September 25, 1997, and the end result was humiliation for Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think readers will agree this is not the Netanyahu KBRM promotes as a man of peace in this quote from the advertisement:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="bolder"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Peace is a common and enduring goal for all Israelis and Israeli Governments, mine included&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt; —  Binyamin Netanyahu, current PM of Israel 2009&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-1928785402410135649?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.kbrm.org.nz/adverts.html#ad27April' title='More textbook propaganda from KBRM'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/1928785402410135649/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/05/more-textbook-propaganda-from-kbrm.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/1928785402410135649'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/1928785402410135649'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/05/more-textbook-propaganda-from-kbrm.html' title='More textbook propaganda from KBRM'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-6414104661737077719</id><published>2009-04-22T15:00:00.003+12:00</published><updated>2009-04-27T22:09:55.209+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hamas'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rodney brooks'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='root of the conflict'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='charter'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='otago daily times'/><title type='text'>KBRM reinvents history: the root of the conflict</title><content type='html'>Here's a little gem from our friends at KBRM in a post dated April 17, 2009 discussing coverage by the &lt;a href="http://www.otd.co.nz"&gt;Otago Daily Times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Hamas' avowed goal is to destroy the state of Israel, not to regain land taken over the past 50 years. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;This fact is at the root of the conflict and should be understood by everyone&lt;/span&gt; (emphasis added).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Hamas' avowed goal, as expressed in its charter, is to replace Jewish rule in Israel/Palestine with Islamic rule, which necessarily entails regaining the "lost" land - although KBRM seem to have lost a decade somewhere; the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Jews began in 1947.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the second sentence is even stranger.  Hamas' goal is the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;root of the conflict&lt;/span&gt;?  Perhaps Rodney Brooks and his friends genuinely don't know that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the root of the conflict&lt;/span&gt; lies in Zionism, which misappropriated the myths of Judaism to justify a long and ultimately successful (to this point, at least) international campaign to be permitted to colonise Palestine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And this campaign came to fruition mainly in 1948 and again in 1967 with wholesale ethnic cleansing operations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hamas was formed in the wake of the 1987 Intifada, and the &lt;a href="http://christianactionforisrael.org/isreport/hamas.html"&gt;charter&lt;/a&gt; was issued in 1988.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;So Dr Rodney Brooks and his mates say the goals of a two decades old organisation is at the root of a six decades old conflict.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No wonder it's just so difficult to have a rational discussion with these guys.  For the Palestinians, the reality is that every time one obstacle to peace is surmounted, Israel just invents a new one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But reinventing history is a Zionist trait.  I have already illustrated some examples: misrepresenting the age of the conflict and the Hamas charter, and describing land taken by force and ethnic cleansing as "lost".  But here's yet another:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.imemc.org/article/60037"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Peres also said that “tyrants like Stalin, Hitler and Ahmadinejad chose the Jews as the focus for their hatred and violence”. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Stalin killed 30 million Russians.  This is all the Wikipedia entry says about Jews under Stalin:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt; During Stalin's rule the following ethnic groups were deported completely or partially: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians" title="Ukrainians"&gt;Ukrainians&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_minority_in_Soviet_Union" title="Polish minority in Soviet Union" class="mw-redirect"&gt;Poles&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_people" title="Korean people" class="mw-redirect"&gt;Koreans&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Germans" title="Volga Germans"&gt;Volga Germans&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatars" title="Crimean Tatars"&gt;Crimean Tatars&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmykia" title="Kalmykia"&gt;Kalmyks&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya" title="Chechnya"&gt;Chechens&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingushetia" title="Ingushetia"&gt;Ingush&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkars" title="Balkars"&gt;Balkars&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karachay-Cherkessia" title="Karachay-Cherkessia"&gt;Karachays&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meskhetian_Turks" title="Meskhetian Turks"&gt;Meskhetian Turks&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland" title="Finland"&gt;Finns&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria" title="Bulgaria"&gt;Bulgarians&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece" title="Greece"&gt;Greeks&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvia" title="Latvia"&gt;Latvians&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania" title="Lithuania"&gt;Lithuanians&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia" title="Estonia"&gt;Estonians&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;, and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: lucida grande;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew" title="Jew"&gt;Jews&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;It's an extensive if unpleasant list of innocent people victimised by a tyrant but it certainly doesn't indicate a "focus" on Jews, as &lt;a href="http://http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimon_Peres"&gt;Shimon Peres &lt;/a&gt;would have us believe. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hitler demonised Jews as part of his campaign to rule Germany, but his sweep included other ethnicities and cultures, especially the Gypsies, whose fate became submerged under the sheer weight of numbers of Jews massacred during Hitler's rule.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But to lump Ahmadinejad in with these two historical giants of mass murder and genocide is simply nonsensical.  He is not even a tyrant.  He is an elected President who term expires soon, he doesn't create law by fiat, and has often failed to have his policies enacted.  Iran's tyrant is the Ayotallah.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But even though Hamas obviously want Israel as a Jewish State eliminated, the charter's aim is to reestablish an Islamic State rather than eliminate Jews:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:lucida grande;"&gt;Article Thirty One THE MEMBERS OF OTHER RELIGIONS, THE HAMAS IS A HUMANE MOVEMENT  ...Under the shadow of Islam it is possible for the members of the three religions:  Islam, Christianity and Judaism to coexist in safety and security.  Safety and security can only prevail under the shadow of Islam...  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the usual state of affairs under Islamic rule, especially as defined by the Ottoman Empire.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-6414104661737077719?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.kbrm.org.nz' title='KBRM reinvents history: the root of the conflict'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/6414104661737077719/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/kbrm-reinvents-history-root-of-conflict.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6414104661737077719'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6414104661737077719'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/kbrm-reinvents-history-root-of-conflict.html' title='KBRM reinvents history: the root of the conflict'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-1272325882963578197</id><published>2009-04-22T01:47:00.004+12:00</published><updated>2009-04-22T12:23:01.390+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evidence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rodney brooks'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gaza'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='white phosphorous'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='simon kuttner'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kirsty walker'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='michael kuttner'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><title type='text'>Israel's use of white phosphorous : KBRM please reply!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.hrw.org/en/features/israelgaza-photographs-white-phosphorus-use"&gt;http://www.hrw.org/en/features/israelgaza-photographs-white-phosphorus-use&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The photographic evidence presented by &lt;a href="http://www.hrw.org/"&gt;Human Rights Watch&lt;/a&gt; is distressing but compelling evidence of Israel's descent into immorality and depravity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr Rodney Brooks, Michael Kuttner, Simon Kuttner and Kirsty Walker, all members of &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz"&gt;kbrm.org.nz&lt;/a&gt; support these Israeli actions even while denying them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps they could all enlighten as to exactly how these photos of the use of white phosphorous is somehow intended as "flare" or as "smokescreens".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And remind us again about the most moral army in the world doing everything possible to avoid civilian casualties.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-1272325882963578197?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.hrw.org/en/features/israelgaza-photographs-white-phosphorus-use' title='Israel&apos;s use of white phosphorous : KBRM please reply!'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/1272325882963578197/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/israels-use-of-white-phosphorous-kbrm.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/1272325882963578197'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/1272325882963578197'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/israels-use-of-white-phosphorous-kbrm.html' title='Israel&apos;s use of white phosphorous : KBRM please reply!'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-7324160015792389172</id><published>2009-04-18T01:34:00.016+12:00</published><updated>2009-04-22T02:03:21.638+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rodney brooks'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='IDF'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gaza'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='white phosphorous'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='simon kuttner'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war crimes'/><title type='text'>KBRM admits to Israel war crimes charges</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://kbrm.org.nz/"&gt;KBRM admits to Israel war crimes charges&lt;/a&gt;.  This is the only possible conclusion to be drawn from KBRM's introduction to its latest advertisement which states: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the charges&lt;/span&gt; (of war crimes) &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;were either completely false or greatly exaggerated&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A war crime exaggerated is surely still a war crime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's examine the text of the advertisement to discover where KBRM confirms war crimes were committed and what KBRM considers extenuating circumstances.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;Charge: The invasion. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The invasion of Gaza was alleged to be a war crime in itself, because of the impossibility of distinguishing between military targets and surrounding civilians.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So KBRM admits it was impossible for Israel to distinguish between military and civilian targets.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The United Nations Special Rapporteur Richard Falk:   &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The fact that six times more Palestinian civilians than combatants were reportedly killed strongly suggested a failure on the part of Israel to respect the fundamental legal obligation to conduct military operations permitting the distinction between military and civilian targets.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But KBRM acknowledges it is impossible for Israel to have launched such a massive attack on Gaza  and NOT to have committed a war crime, so we must turn our attention to find why we should excuse Israel from culpability.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="bolder"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Answer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Every country has the right and duty to protect and defend its citizens. When Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, it was ‘rewarded’ with an unremitting barrage of 7000 rockets. When a partial blockade (the UN's recommended action to stop aggression) didn't work, and when nobody, including the UN, stepped in to help, Israel had to do something. What other country would endure four years of rocket attacks without striking back?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's deal first with the allegation implying that the UN approves of Israel's blockade of Gaza.  Article 41 of the UN Charter states:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions, and it may call upon the Members of the United Nations to apply such measures. These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of diplomatic relations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The United Nations Security Council did not recommend a blockade of Gaza.  Israel imposed the blockade unilaterally because, although it describes itself as a "beacon of democracy in the Mideast", it did not approve of Hamas' very democratic election win.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is yet another example of the depths Israel and its supporters descend to to defend the indefensible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, the Security Council called for the blockade to be lifted &lt;a href="http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/sc9559.doc.htm"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and the UN states that it already considered Israel's blockade to be in breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention and thus a war crime &lt;a href="http://www.unog.ch/80256EDD006B9C2E/%28httpNewsByYear_en%29/A4F07A6104DC0C99C12575820059975F?OpenDocument"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As to Israel's right to self defence justifying the massacre in Gaza, the international consensus is that Israel is occupying Gaza.  This is the UN view:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Israel’s continuing occupation of Gaza&lt;/span&gt; (since 1967)&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; had been confirmed repeatedly in several international fora, since its 2005 disengagement&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; and the UN confirms ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;the Palestinian right of resistance to occupation within the confines of international law and in accord with the Palestinian right of self-determination.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, occupying powers are subject to extensive legal obligations, none of which allow massacres.   Essentially, under international law, Palestinians are Israeli citizens.  A claim of self defense against oneself is a nonsensical concept, void in law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Furthermore, the UN has repeatedly condemned Hamas' rocket attacks as a war crime.  And unless one is guided by the Old Testament rule of "an eye for an eye" rather than international law, one war crime does not justify another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As the UN states: &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; Violations of international humanitarian law by one party to a     conflict offer no justification for non-compliance by other parties&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the claim of enduring four years of rocket fire compelling a response misses the truth that in the six months leading up to the massacre, a ceasefire was in place, adhered to by Hamas but deliberately broken by Israel to provoke more rocket fire.  I question the wisdom of Hamas' response to Israeli provocation but make no judgment as I am not subject to brutal occupation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;Charge: Civilian casualties. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; An excessive number of civilian deaths has been alleged, with one cartoonist depicting a 10-to-1 ratio.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well that cartoonist got it horribly wrong because KBRM then admits to a 100:1 ratio of civilian to military casualities. KBRM goes on to state: ...&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;but 92% of the victims between 16 and 59 were listed as male&lt;/span&gt; and ...&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;it is hard to believe that this predominantly male, fighting-age group was mostly innocent civilians.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus Israel arrives at a 25% civilian toll as opposed to the accepted figure of 65%:   "If you are of fighting-age, male, and we killed you, you are a fighter."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, this is exactly Israeli policy in the Occupied Territories.  Never mind that males do what males do in times of war and put themselves in danger, between their families and the enemy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It reminds me of the Stalinist policy of &lt;a href="http://www.gendercide.org/case_stalin.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;gendercide&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: kill the fighting age males between ages 15 and 55. Stalin managed to alter the population statistics in the USSR to as much as 70% female to 30% male over the decades from 1930 to 1960. Interestingly, large numbers of Israeli immigrants are ex-USSR.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moving on through the advertisement:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;Charge: ‘Lop-sided’ ratio.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; The 100-to-1 ratio of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths has also been claimed to be evidence of a war crime.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;Answer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; If casualty ratios were an indicator of morality, then the Allies in World War 2 would have been guilty of war crimes. In fact, ‘body count’ has nothing to do with who is right and who is wrong.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Quoting again the UN Special Rapporteur, Richard Falk:  &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The overall ratio of deaths (1,434:13) also provided a basis for challenging the legality of initiating a military assault with modern weaponry against an essentially defenseless society.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Coercively confining the Gazan population to the combat zone during the military operations had effectively denied the Palestinians in Gaza a refugee option.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Such a war policy should be treated as a distinct and new crime against humanity and explicitly prohibited.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the kill ratio does indeed permit a war crimes charge to be laid.  The outcome, of course, is up to the hearing, if Israel ever allows itself to be judged by international law.  &lt;a href="http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130881"&gt;Don't hold your breath.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, Mr Falk finds the massacre so appalling that he suggests a new war crime, that of penning your target into a confined area and proceeding with a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_shoot"&gt;turkey shoot&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And what strange reasoning by the writers at KBRM, confusing the issue of whether war crimes have been committed with "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;who is right and who is wrong&lt;/span&gt;".   There can be no moral justification for committing a war crime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is no doubt the Allies committed war crimes in WWII.    Unfortunately for Israel, the difference is that the Allies totally vanquished their opponents.   Israel's opponents are still fighting, still &lt;a href="http://www.historynet.com/lashing-back-israel%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%99s-1947-1948-civil-war.htm/1"&gt;lashing back&lt;/a&gt; regardless of rewrites of history, neither annihilated, swamped, vanquished nor defeated.   Indeed, war crimes may yet prove to be the undoing of the discriminatory Jewish State.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More from the advertisement:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;Charge: UN school ‘massacre’.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Israeli troops were alleged to have killed dozens at a UN school used to house civilian refugees.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;Answer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Later investigation found that an adjacent street, not the building, was hit and that 12 people outside were killed, of which nine were armed terrorists. (Google ‘hamas claims proven false’.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Firstly, the Google search result actually originates from the &lt;a href="http://www.israelnationalnews.com/"&gt;Israel National News &lt;/a&gt;website.  In a political environment where the usual left/right paradigms, especially regarding the value of (non Jewish) human life, are so skewed that Genghis Khan would sit comfortably in the centre, INN is so far off the scale you would risk your neck circling clockwise forever.  A cruise through their Blogs section will soon enlighten you as to their politics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Secondly, take note of &lt;a href="http://www.un.org/unrwa/news/releases/pr-2009/jer_2apr09.html"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; press release from the United Nations (UNRWA), which informs us how certain media organisations distorted UN announcements and affirms it stands by all its statements regarding the Gaza massacre (my term).  And these are some of the statements the UN stands by:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.un.org/unrwa/news/releases/pr-2009/jer_6jan09.html"&gt;Direct Hit on UNRWA School Kills    Three in Gaza&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/sgsm12049.doc.htm"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;third United   Nations   school hit by Israeli forces&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/sgsm12037.doc.htm"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;DEADLY ISRAELI STRIKES ON SANCTUARIES ‘TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE’,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Next we will consider:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;Charge: Phosphorus bombs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Israeli troops allegedly used illegal phosphorus bombs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And KBRM's defense of the use of white phosphorous bombs:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;Answer. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The use of phosphorus in flares and smoke-screen bombs is not unusual and is legal, but Israel is investigating further. In the meantime, Palestinians sent an axe-wielding murderer into a play area to kill children (Google ‘axe-wielding Palestinian’).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One might ask again about the moral compass of the principals of KBRM, DR Rodney Brooks, Wanaka, New Zealand and Simon Kuttner, Israel, when they place the actions of a lone Palestinian, undoubtedly avenging an Israeli act that affected him personally, side by side with the actions of one of the modern era's mightiest armies, the IDF.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One man, belonging to a dispossessed and oppressed people compared to an army largely funded by billions of US dollars for totally self-interested and venal purposes.  The compass needle is oscillating! Where is north, exactly? Rodney and Simon?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, the respected Human Rights Watch has issued a report titled &lt;a href="http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2009/03/25/rain-fire"&gt;Rain of Fire&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please take the time to read this report.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On a personal note, my wife and I watched, live on Iranian &lt;a href="http://http//www.presstv.ir/classic/"&gt;Press TV&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;after &lt;/span&gt;the so-called unilateral ceasefire declared by Israel, Apache gunships lazily circling above Gaza randomly firing off white phosphorous bombs into a defenseless population.  And we have seen videos and photos of adults and children killed, dying or maimed by these incendiary bombs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are not propaganda productions.  They are presented by ordinary people attempting to live in extraordinary circumstances, who now can use modern technology to share their experiences and their grief with the world.  Just Google "youtube gaza" or go &lt;a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4jfmf_gazamassacrefeb2008_news"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="bolder"&gt;I&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;sraeli charges. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Rumours of possible ‘war crimes’ were passed by an officer to the Israeli Chief of Staff for investigation. They were leaked to the press, which reported them as fact, including a charge that a soldier deliberately shot a woman and her two children.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;Answer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Investigation found the charges to be false (Google ‘case closed on gaza’). The fact that the Israeli army (and press) took these allegations seriously is an indication of Israel's high standards of morality.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Google search suggested will take you &lt;a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1238409229712&amp;amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, we all believe an army who investigates allegations of war crimes against itself and concludes there is no case to answer.  Don't we?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And Israel took numerous allegations of war crimes by the IDF so seriously that it conducted its entire investigation in a mere 11 days before declaring "case closed."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Like the PLO and Hamas, the IDF is a deeply cynical, self-serving organisation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The final charge, according to the KBRM advertisement:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;Charge: Obscene T-shirts. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Some Israeli soldiers had purchased hateful T-shirts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;" class="bolder"&gt;Answer. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The T-shirts are indefensible, and shocked and outraged Israelis. But what do they show? That Israel, like every country in the world, including New Zealand, has ‘undesirables’. Fortunately, their number is small and they do not reflect or influence official Israeli policy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072466.html"&gt;This &lt;/a&gt;article in &lt;a href="http://www.haaretz.com/"&gt;Haaretz&lt;/a&gt; gives more details, including descriptions of the prints soldiers requested.  More important is that the IDF did not initiate any disciplinary hearings over the "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hateful T-shirts&lt;/span&gt;".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;KBRM's parting shot (&lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/adverts.html"&gt;view the advertisement&lt;/a&gt;) encapsulates why the conflict has never been settled.  Israel just moves the goalposts and carries on building illegal settlements in the West Bank, which Israel refers to as the mythical, Biblical Judea and Samaria.  For a country that can't distinguish fantasy from fact, the self-delusion the Jewish nation exhibits with its denial of its attempted genocide of Palestinians is no surprise.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact is that this totally asymmetrical conflict is not about Hamas, or the PLO, or the PA, or the War on Terror (now officially over) but about the rights of the dispossessed and oppressed people of historic Palestine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yes, folks, KBRM know all about my blog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know, because I email them every new post, and they studiously ignore me, which is why I welcome your comments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would love to engage them in a debate, especially about the credibility of the sources we each refer to...ah well, dreams are free.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-7324160015792389172?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.kbrm.org.nz/adverts.html' title='KBRM admits to Israel war crimes charges'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/7324160015792389172/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/kbrm-admits-to-israel-war-crimes.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/7324160015792389172'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/7324160015792389172'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/kbrm-admits-to-israel-war-crimes.html' title='KBRM admits to Israel war crimes charges'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-5773317182396299346</id><published>2009-04-14T13:26:00.010+12:00</published><updated>2009-04-22T01:33:36.752+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rodney brooks'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ethnic cleansing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='simon kuttner'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kirsty walker kbrm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='1948'/><title type='text'>That C-word and the A-word as Kirsty Walker strikes again</title><content type='html'>Click on the title to read another Kirsty Walker gem of misinformation and red herrings.  Topped off with the usual rubbish of "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;C&lt;/span&gt;omplex" history and the slur of &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;nti-semitism thrown at those who dare criticise her beloved, romanticised Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, an extract from the KBRM commentary: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;one caller spoke extensively about the Palestinian refugees who&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; left &lt;/span&gt;Israel in 1948 &lt;/span&gt;(emphasis added)&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Now this is an outstanding example of whitewashing Israel's crimes through the use of language.  The correct terminology is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;fled&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;in relation to a relatively small number who escaped the future war zone in 1947-48 in advance of hostilities, and &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;expelled&lt;/span&gt; or &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;ethnically cleansed&lt;/span&gt; for the vast majority of refugees.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The farmers of an agrarian society do not abandon their land without very good reason.  The acts of Jewish terror and massacre now admitted to even by Zionist historians like Benny Morris, and former cabinet minister Shlomo ben Ami, were the catalyst for the Palestinian abandonment of land and property.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The United Nations passed Resolution 194 in November, 1948, insisting that the refugees be permitted to return.  Israel has refused.  But Israel proclaims loudly its "acceptance" of Resolution 181, yet rejects Resolution 194.  A whiff of hypocrisy, perhaps?  Or a force 10 hurricane?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Back to Kirsty Walker and we find her asking us to remember the 800,000 Mizrahi Jews (also known as Arab Jews) who emigrated to Israel from the Arab nations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's true the Arab Jews of Egypt and Libya were expelled, and Arab Jews left other Arab nations as a result of the overt hostility of Arab governments.  In general, they were not permitted to take their property.  And they were expelled or forced out by their fellow Arabs solely on the grounds of their religion, albeit because of what Europeans were doing in Palestine in the name of their faith.  All this is as reprehensible as what European Jews inflicted, and still inflict, on Palestinians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, there were other influences at work here as well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Primarily, the Zionists were disappointed that many more European Jews, when permitted by their governments to emigrate, were choosing destinations other than Palestine.  The US was especially popular, and there are now more Jews in the US than in Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Zionist movement reportedly actively campaigned in the Arab nations to entice Jews to emigrate to Palestine, and there are persistent rumours that many acts against Jews, terrorist acts, were perpetrated by Mossad as part of a campaign to maximise the number of immigrants into Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And Shlomo Sand suspects his family and the Jews of Iraq were required to leave their property as a result of a deal between Israel and Iraq, who were actually reluctant to see the Jews leave.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But whatever the truth, this issue has simply no bearing on justice for Palestinian Arabs, who, in addition to expulsion and dispossession, have been subjected to 60 years of oppression and murder.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Arab Jews argument is with those Arab countries and possibly Israel itself.  And those Arab Jews have not been subjected to 60 years of oppression and murder.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And let's not forget the second round of ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs in 1967.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kirsty Walker also promotes the myth that Palestinians fled at the request of their leaders.  This myth has been thoroughly discredited.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first Palestinians to flee in advance of hostilities were the wealthy, as was their tradition.  Then there was an exodus of families from the cities back to their home villages in preparation for war.  This was also a traditional movement for this group in times of war.  And as the level of conflict intensified women, children and the elderly were sent from the war zone to safety.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the vast majority of Palestinians were expelled, first by terrorist tactics intended to result in flight, and later as a deliberate policy to ensure an overwhelming Jewish majority in the state that would become Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it is irrelevant to the right of return.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then some more misinformation from Kirsty Walker:   &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don't forget that many Jews had been living in Israel for many generations and that many Arabs had only been in Palestine since the turn of the 20th century, seeking employment in Jewish run industries.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Now I think Kirsty Walker surely meant Palestine, not Israel.  Regardless, this is yet another attempt to diminish the Palestinians as the indigenous people of that area.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact is that until the late 19th century, Jews comprised about 2% of the population of Palestine.  These were overwhelmingly Mizrahi Jews.  The Jewish population exploded at a later date due entirely to European Jew immigration.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The proportion of Arab immigrants has been variously as 5-10% of the total Arab population of Palestine. And certainly, until the Zionists arrived there was relative peace and cooperation between Jews and Arabs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it's just yet more irrelevancy.  Nothing can justify what Israel has visited upon the Palestinans, and still continues to this day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Probably her most offensive statement is this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;For every Palestinian claim, you will find that there is an equally compelling Jewish one&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;I would love the opportunity to debate this with Kirsty Walker.  Let's just compare the current living standards in Israel with that of Palestinians in the Occupied terrorities.  Maybe not.  There is no comparison, really.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I repeat:  Nothing can justify what Israel has visited upon Palestinans, brutal expulsion, dispossession and oppression which continues to this day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, I am pleased KBRM, and its principals, Dr Rodny Brooks and Simon Kuttner,  recognise &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the growing anti-Israel coverage in the UN and the media. &lt;/span&gt;  The fact is, if Israel continues on its present course, the criticism will only increase.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I agree there is, sadly, growing anti-semitism as a result of Israel's actions, just as arose in the Arab states in 1948, but the best way Israel could counter this is to look inwards and change its policies.&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-5773317182396299346?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.kbrm.org.nz/Posts/2009/April_5b.html' title='That C-word and the A-word as Kirsty Walker strikes again'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/5773317182396299346/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/that-c-word-and-a-word-as-kirsty-walker.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/5773317182396299346'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/5773317182396299346'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/that-c-word-and-a-word-as-kirsty-walker.html' title='That C-word and the A-word as Kirsty Walker strikes again'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-6708852497524885217</id><published>2009-04-13T14:58:00.006+12:00</published><updated>2009-04-14T00:46:03.497+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='benny morris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='aldaily'/><title type='text'>Newsflash: Arts &amp; Letters Daily publishes pseudo-history</title><content type='html'>Click on the title to read a Benny Morris article purporting to be an objective account of Palestinian and Arab resistance to Zionist colonisation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have followed &lt;a href="http://www.aldaily.com/"&gt;aldaily&lt;/a&gt; almost since its inception and, while I love the site, it does have a pronounced US (and by extension, pro-Israel) bias.  I have always understood this and usually just grin and bear it.  After all, the site's founder, Denis Dutton, is himself American, and he is certainly no dissident.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But publishing this particular article, supporting a state involved in a brutal war of conquest and colonisation, and not provide a counterbalance from the Palestinian viewpoint, is disappointing to this long term fan of Arts &amp;amp; Letters Daily.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, the site which commissioned the article does have a  discussion section and a liberal posting policy, which alleviates the disappointment somewhat.  Naturally, I and others have availed ourselves of that facility.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's a shame that the principals of &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/"&gt;KBRM&lt;/a&gt; don't follow suit rather than hiding behind the skirts of its webmistress.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-6708852497524885217?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.historynet.com/lashing-back-israel%E2%80%99s-1947-1948-civil-war.htm/1' title='Newsflash: Arts &amp; Letters Daily publishes pseudo-history'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/6708852497524885217/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/newsflash-arts-letters-daily-publishes.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6708852497524885217'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6708852497524885217'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/newsflash-arts-letters-daily-publishes.html' title='Newsflash: Arts &amp; Letters Daily publishes pseudo-history'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-4753769388279385613</id><published>2009-04-10T19:48:00.001+12:00</published><updated>2009-04-13T15:49:49.342+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='IDF'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='wall'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='casualties'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='civilians'/><title type='text'>Israel's "moral army"</title><content type='html'>This quote is taken from a Simon Kuttner (a principal of KBRM) letter posted on their website.&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Israel's army, despite all the difficulties of fighting a terrorist organisation that uses human shields as defence, does not purposely target civilians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Click&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;on the title to see evidence to the contrary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The area being filmed is within 400 metres of the separation wall, on the Palestinian side, of course, which Israel has declared as a sort of no-mans-land where "man" refers to Palestinian farmers who own and farm the land through which Israel built its fence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Simon, they are civilians.  And they are being purposely targeted.  Please post a retraction.  After all, Chairman Rodney promises to correct any inaccuracies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-4753769388279385613?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbX6GoqNrfA' title='Israel&apos;s &quot;moral army&quot;'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/4753769388279385613/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/israels-moral-army.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/4753769388279385613'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/4753769388279385613'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/israels-moral-army.html' title='Israel&apos;s &quot;moral army&quot;'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-2495835948392463817</id><published>2009-04-10T00:53:00.006+12:00</published><updated>2009-04-13T15:48:13.167+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='United Nations'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><title type='text'>The Missing Truth re-examined</title><content type='html'>Let's take a look at another example of the truth KBRM conveniently misses: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Jewish state accepted the land given to it by the United Nations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ignoring the rather obvious fact that the land was not the United Nations' to give, this is a misrepresentation of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 which&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; recommended&lt;/span&gt; partition.  The word recommended is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;important here: General Assembly resolutions are recommendations only and are not legally binding.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is true, at face value, that the Jewish Authority accepted the terms (why wouldn't they?), but it is now well known that David Ben Gurion and his fellow thugs were already planning to expand their portion to include all of historic Palestine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact that they have failed (to date) is not for want of trying, but even Israel's rulers realise that the world has had enough of ethnic cleansing by Israel's Jews.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Arabs simply said "No", which they were quite entitled to do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Furthermore, the resolution did not give a licence for ethnic cleansing.  Rather, it was remarkedly detailed as to the manner in which Jews and Arabs were to co-exist within their respectives states.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the Jews never mention the 1939 White Paper which was soundly rejected by the Jews, and, in fact, was a prime motivation for their terrorist campangn against the British because while it guaranteed Jewish rights, it also guaranteed an Arab majority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem also rejected the plan.  This was, and perhaps still is, a cause of regret amongst Palestinians, as acceptance may have seen British support for Zionism evaporate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But that's history.  The present situation is an abombination of the intentions of the United Nations, and that body constantly makes clear its negative view of Zionist actions, but has yet to act purposefully and rectify the situation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I don't think many, if any, Palestinians regret rejecting 181, as alleged by Dr Brooks. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which indigenous population &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;would&lt;/span&gt; voluntarily agree to giving up their ancestral lands?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-2495835948392463817?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.kbrm.org.nz/adverts.html' title='The Missing Truth re-examined'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/2495835948392463817/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/missing-truth-re-examined.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/2495835948392463817'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/2495835948392463817'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/missing-truth-re-examined.html' title='The Missing Truth re-examined'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-6001469845934011985</id><published>2009-04-09T01:12:00.006+12:00</published><updated>2009-04-09T15:13:34.863+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='indigenous'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='racism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='racist'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bedouin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apartheid'/><title type='text'>It's a complex issue...yeah, right</title><content type='html'>How often have we heard this statement regarding the problem of Israel: it's a complex issue.  Here is an example from KBRM (well schooled in the way of Israeli propaganda):  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bedouin situation in Israel is complex; it would take an entire article to describe it adequately. It is true that Israel would prefer to see the Bedouins settled in permanent villages, rather than in temporary encampments on state land, but this is not apartheid; the Bedouins themselves choose to live apart&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, the "Bedouin situation" is anything but complex.  Bedouin are probably the true indigenous people of Palestine.  In a New Zealand Herald article &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&amp;amp;objectid=10563933"&gt;The Unwanted Tribe of Israel&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt; a Bedouin is quoted as tracing their presence on the land of his village back 7000 years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The village in question is the one KBRM refer to above as a &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;temporary encampment&lt;/span&gt;.  A 7000 year old camp.  Temporary.  Actually, it's now non-existent because it was destroyed by Israeli police.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This article &lt;a href="http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/archive/1211119255"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Depiction of Bedouin as 'nomads' - a myth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; shatters the second major claim in KBRM's statement, that apartheid is not being forced upon Bedouin.  Take the time to study the evidence and decide for yourself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The permanent villages KBRM mentions do exist, and the offer to live in them in return for giving up land claims was taken up by about half of Bedouin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, the fact this deal was even offered to Bedouin proves their claim, which Israel now denies to the half who preferred to stay in their "temporary" 7000 year old "encampments".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And to give you an idea of how great life is in these villages, they rest at the bottom of every socio-economic indicator in Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Israel is the first occupying power in 7000 years to deny Bedouin their right to their ancestral lands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why? Israel wants Bedouin land to build new towns for mainly Eastern European immigrants whose only links to the land are the myths of the Old Testament, including the overtly racist notion of the "Chosen People".&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-6001469845934011985?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/6001469845934011985/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-complex-issueyeah-right.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6001469845934011985'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6001469845934011985'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-complex-issueyeah-right.html' title='It&apos;s a complex issue...yeah, right'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-4299331037398672486</id><published>2009-04-08T01:22:00.006+12:00</published><updated>2009-04-09T12:28:29.989+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='occupation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='wall'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='UN'/><title type='text'>Tell the truth, KBRM</title><content type='html'>Below is a typical example of Israeli lies presented by KBRM on its Feedback page in response to a "disputant":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The writer's charge that Israel is occupying Palestinian land is false. Israel withdrew from Gaza four years ago. Its recent attack was not an attempt to reoccupy, but an attempt to stop the rockets that have been unrelentlessly&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;(sic)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; fired at it ever since.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With regard to the occupation issue, read the following extract from a report - that is not for the faint hearted - just released by the group Physicians for Human Rights-Israel (on which I will post more soon, including links).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Occupation starts when a foreign military entity has factual control over a territory or a population. And despite the 2005 Disengagement Plan, Israel still controls Gaza borders, airspace, territorial waters, population registry, tax system, power supply, and movements of inhabitants...Despite the fact that there is no officially recognized Palestinian State, most experts, UN Resolutions, and the International Court of Justice in its Advisory opinion regarding the separation wall in 2004, all consider the Palestinian territories occupied.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, as usual, Israel will play the victim and accuse all these eminent experts and bodies of bias, antisemitism, ignorance...etc, etc.  And oh, it's a complex issue, of course.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, the ICJ Advisory Opinion was that the wall is illegal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As regards the "relentless rocket fire" a ceasefire was in place, Hamas was enforcing a crackdown on rocket fire, &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfFMZ7Y-s_c"&gt;the facts are well known&lt;/a&gt;, and Israel broke the ceasefire as a device to provoke Hamas into resuming its attacks, as an excuse for the Gaza massacre.  Not a war, note, a massacre.   And the defence of self-defence is void for an occupying power.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As to why Hamas responded the way it did, I don't know.  I would have thought restraint was a better option, even if it knew, as it probably did, that the attack was coming anyway. But I am not resident in a territory under occupation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-4299331037398672486?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/4299331037398672486/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/tell-truth-kbrm.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/4299331037398672486'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/4299331037398672486'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/tell-truth-kbrm.html' title='Tell the truth, KBRM'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-8426705775701794555</id><published>2009-04-07T13:44:00.003+12:00</published><updated>2009-04-13T13:25:39.637+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='violation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='human rights'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='race relations'/><title type='text'>A challenge to KBRM</title><content type='html'>The &lt;a href="http://www.arabhra.org/"&gt;Arab Association for Human Rights&lt;/a&gt; publishes annual reports entitled Annual Review of Human Rights Violations of the Arab Palestinian Minority in Israel and reports can be viewed or downloaded for 2005 &lt;a href="http://www.arabhra.org/HraAdmin/UserImages/Files/YearlyReport2005English.pdf"&gt;here &lt;/a&gt;and 2006&lt;a href="http://www.arabhra.org/HraAdmin/UserImages/Files/YearlyReport2006FullVersionHighQualityEnglish.pdf"&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These reports detail the true state of race relations in Israel as between Jews and Palestinians in Israel, by people who actually experience the effects of Israel's "facts on the ground" policies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because of the sheer volume of information contained in the reports I shall publish extracts and challenge KBRM to respond.  Readers could do Palestinians a service by sending extracts direct to KBRM and requesting a response.  My advice is not to hold your breath, although if you do receive a reply I would appreciate a copy.  Just post a comment or email me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The question is, is KBRM genuinely ignorant of these violations or are they simply an apologist for whatever Israel does?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is the first extract (2005 rep0rt)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;In February the army began marking cars owned by settlers in the West Bank with “resident” stickers so that they could be distinguished from cars owned by Arab citizens.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The army and the Shabak security service25 said this was needed because there had been an increasing number of Arab citizens involved in terror acts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The stickers would make it easier for the security services to identify and search Arab cars. According to Haaretz, the “resident” stickers would allow settlers’ cars to pass through checkpoints more quickly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The army decided to mark settler cars rather than Arab cars so as to avoid legal challenges from human rights groups for singling out Arabs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In view of KBRMs public denials of racial discrimination in Israel, I would love to hear how they justify such labelling (in this case, a label has the same effect as no label) other than the mentality Israel suffers from that all Palestinians are potential terrorists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And how does KBRM differentiate Israeli labelling from Nazi labelling?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-8426705775701794555?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/8426705775701794555/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/challenge-to-kbrm.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/8426705775701794555'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/8426705775701794555'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/challenge-to-kbrm.html' title='A challenge to KBRM'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-8749127147858036724</id><published>2009-04-03T01:11:00.005+13:00</published><updated>2009-04-07T13:44:25.142+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propaganda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='holocaust'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nazi. nazis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media'/><title type='text'>Words fail me...almost...</title><content type='html'>Click on the title to read the newest posting on the website of the woefully misnamed &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/"&gt;Kiwis for Balanced Reporting in the Mideast&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's examine the opening clause:  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The reason I don't give up is my deeply-held concern that the world is sleepwalking (rather than goose stepping) towards another holocaust. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is only the context of this letter appearing on a pro-Zionist website which disabused me of my initial thought that the writer, Kirsty Walker, New Zealand, was referring to the Palestinians plight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But no, Ms Walker somehow believes that the militarised entity masquerading as the country Israel, possessor of the fourth most dangerous nuclear weapons stockpile in the world, is in danger of being wiped out by...by...stone-throwing, rocket-firing, oppressed, brutalised, arms-embargoed, starving Palestinians?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think she needs a reality check.  The world is, in fact, highly engaged in the problem of Israel, if rather strangely so in thrall of the Jewish state that it largely turns a blind eye to the horrendous consequences of the Zionist experiment, so far.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now for the second part of her opening compound sentence:  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I cannot look the other way and say nothing when innocent Jewish men, women and children are being put at grave risk by the anti-Semitic propaganda that is found in the international media.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ms Walker obviously believes any criticism of Israel's policies is anti-semitic, even in the media arena where the Palestinian cause has always rated as less worthy than "a national homeland for the Jewish people" as &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917"&gt;Lord Balfour so fatefully announced. &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would like to see some evidence of this anti-semitism in international media alleged by Ms Walker, and I, for one, would join her in her protestations if that is the case.  But it would make no difference to my absolute disgust with the State of Israel for the fate it has forced upon the Palestinians and it's absolute disregard for non-Jewish human life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The main messages of the remainder of her opening paragraph seem to be that "somone" is orchestrating a Nazi-style propaganda and that the international media and the UN are biased against Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ignoring the worn conspiracy theory paranoia, let's examine her account of Nazi propaganda:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;lots of subtle, seemingly unrelated anti-Jewish messages, that collectively amount to devastatingly effective anti-Semitic propaganda&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am afraid the news for Ms Walker is that reality intrudes on her wish to demonise the few in the media who criticise Israel for its indefensible actions.  Nazi anti-semitism was anything but subtle, the messages anything but unrelated.  For example, by 1933, when Hitler assumed power, the Nazi publication &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Der Sturmer, &lt;/span&gt;stridently anti-Jewish, was already well established spent 22 years inciting racial hatred of Jews.  Nazi posters, a major propaganda tool, demonised Jews with savage caricatures.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In contrast, western Israel critics, including the international media and yours truly, very carefully and correctly avoid statements which even hint at anti-semitism.  Of course, the accusations flow anyway such as &lt;a href="http://www.historynet.com/lashing-back-israel%E2%80%99s-1947-1948-civil-war.htm/1"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  I would indeeed be grateful if readers could point out how my remarks in reply to the Benny Morris article are in any way racist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, just as Ms Walker has an exaggerated sense of military threat to Israel, her reinvention of Nazi propoganda methods in her attempt to tar Israeli critics with the same brush fails miserably.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In accusing the United nations of bias, she and Israel align themselves with other extremist and vicious nations condemned by that body and who make the same protest.  Israel is not censured by the UN because of its existence, which has been approved by the UN, but for its actions.  Only the slavish support of the US saves Israel from isolated ignominy and sanctions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And her confusion is clear in the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I do not write to defend the political entity that is the state of Israel &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ms Walker, your writing does exactly that. I'm afraid.  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's not much, but it's the least I can do&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ms Walker, the least you can do is get a firmer grasp on reality and stop supporting a despotic regime and the unjustified dispossession and oppression of the indigenous people of Palestine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-8749127147858036724?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.kbrm.org.nz/Posts/2009/March_30.html' title='Words fail me...almost...'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/8749127147858036724/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/words-fail-mealmost.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/8749127147858036724'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/8749127147858036724'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/words-fail-mealmost.html' title='Words fail me...almost...'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-5797768494185213004</id><published>2009-04-02T13:00:00.007+13:00</published><updated>2009-04-09T13:07:46.375+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nazis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nazi'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='propaganda'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apartheid'/><title type='text'>Israel: Nazi state?  Apartheid state? Does it matter?</title><content type='html'>Two recent postings on the &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/"&gt;KBRM&lt;/a&gt; website protest at comparison of Israel to the two former pariah states, Nazi Germany and South Africa under apartheid.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is just as easy to find points of dissimilarity with these abhorrent regimes as it is to find points of similarity. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And this, surely, should be cause of great concern for Israel; today's world will not permit anything approaching a state of apartheid indefinitely. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To paraphrase Obama, Israel is on "the wrong side of history" in this matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wikipedia carries an absorbing &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy"&gt;discussion&lt;/a&gt; on the Israel-apartheid analogy. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the Nazi comparison, &lt;a href="http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/82c45c30c8dc61c8?pli=1"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; comprehensive article provides an in-depth analysis far superior to KBRM's simplistic efffort.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A personal observation regards two books in my reading list.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In one, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Rise and Fall of the Nazis&lt;/span&gt;, the writer mentions the distribution by the Nazis of a poster depicting the perfect white, blond haired, blue eyed, muscular and "superior" Aryan soldiers and citizens.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A little later, in the highly recommended &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Lemon Tree&lt;/span&gt;, I read of the female lead, Dalia, the young Jewish Bulgarian immigrant resident in a confiscated Palestinian home, gazing admiringly at  poster idealising Jewish soldiers in exactly the same way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An isolated incident, yes, but you should take the time to read the two articles and draw your own conclusions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Are these comparisons useful?  I struggle to see why, except as an academic exercise.  Any state with Israel's policy settings and practices would have similarities with other oppressive, murderous regimes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Israel is a demonic state.  But Israelis, in general, are not.  They love their families, they yearn to be fully accepted in the international community, but they have lost their way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Jews have returned to the desert.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-5797768494185213004?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/5797768494185213004/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/israel-nazi-state-apartheid-state-does.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/5797768494185213004'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/5797768494185213004'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/04/israel-nazi-state-apartheid-state-does.html' title='Israel: Nazi state?  Apartheid state? Does it matter?'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-1786248397392678898</id><published>2009-03-19T00:56:00.003+13:00</published><updated>2009-03-21T18:02:47.104+13:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='genocide'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nobel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nuclear'/><title type='text'>The intelligence of Jews</title><content type='html'>If there were gold medals for pure ignorance, the writer of this extract from the KBRM Feedback page would surely go close:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;One only has to look at the number of Jewish Nobel Prize winners and then compare the list with those who are Muslim - it's no contest as they say.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt; Hamilton&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;So this writer believes the ongoing dispossession and oppression of the indigenous population of Palestine is justified because Jews have garnered more Nobel Prizes, proving they deserve to be the  &lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;Chosen People&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Click on the title to see how our super- intelligent Jews utilise their intellectual prowess (Hint: the red is deliberately symbolic).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Out of the approximately 163 Jewish winners, it would be an interesting exercise to see how many, of those currently living, support current Israeli policy, especially mass murder of defenceless civilians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, writer from Hamilton, if we are to have subjective justification for attempted genocide, and I use the term &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide"&gt;genocide&lt;/a&gt; carefully and deliberately, why stop at Nobel Prizes?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How about the most successful religion between Islam and Judaism? Oh dear, 1.2 billion Muslims to 12 million Jews...oh well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or the most nukes?  Ah, 300 to Israel, maybe 12-15 for Pakistan, the only Muslim nation with nukes.  That's strange, I thought Jews were the peaceful ones?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Talking about nukes, here's food for thought.  One Israeli homegrown winner, &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Aumann"&gt;Robert Aumann&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, possesses such prodigious intellect that he justifies genocide with his pet version of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeated_game"&gt;game theory&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, now we see the intellectual basis of Israel's vociferous objection to Middle East nations acquiring nukes.  Mr Aumann proves mathematically that the Mutually Assured Destruction (&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;MAD&lt;/span&gt;) syndrome actually acts to prevent war.  Ergo, Israel does not wish to prevent war.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If anyone thinks I deserve a Nobel Prize for that little effort, please feel free to nominate me.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-1786248397392678898?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.wipeoffthemap.com/erased_english.html' title='The intelligence of Jews'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/1786248397392678898/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/03/intelligence-of-jews.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/1786248397392678898'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/1786248397392678898'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/03/intelligence-of-jews.html' title='The intelligence of Jews'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-6523420692717726922</id><published>2009-03-17T14:02:00.004+13:00</published><updated>2009-03-21T18:01:36.796+13:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kiwis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='victimhood'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='holocaust'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='feedback'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='jews'/><title type='text'>More kbrm.org.nz feedback 25 Jan 2009</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;All my liberal educated friends assume the ‘pro-Palestinian’ stance and detest my references to historical facts which undermine their viewpoints. I am that annoying guest at the dinner party who must be tolerated but not listened to, as I single mindedly (and single handedly in Christchurch at least) defend Israel's right to exist.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This writer may indeed not, as is stated elsewhere in the letter, be Jewish, but he or she has certainly adopted beliefs common in Jewish discourse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We see twice the brave stand against the world: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;All my liberal and educated friends &lt;/span&gt;which begs the question of whether this writer values more his or her &lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;illiberal&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;uneducated&lt;/span&gt; friends.  And &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;single handedly&lt;/span&gt;, which is another way of expressing the Jewish mentality of victimhood, discussed &lt;a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/must-jews-always-see-themselves-as-victims-1639277.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And if &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/"&gt;KBRM&lt;/a&gt; would be so kind as to point the writer in my direction, I would love to discuss versions of  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;historical facts&lt;/span&gt; with a view to developing a shared narrative.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, we read of the writer &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;single mindedly&lt;/span&gt; defending Israel's holy grail, its &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;right to exist&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Only the most nationalistic Palestinians (and it is Palestinians who, as well as Israelis, are really the people that matter in this whole debacle) reject recognising Israel, and the PLO is not amongst them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Israel's insecurity is actually a reflection of its policies and actions that grossly contravene accepted international norms, legal and moral.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The right to exist is a red herring.  But certainly, the longer Israel persists in its current actions, it will face increasing pressure from the international community.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And although Hamas and other groups contravene international law as well, these asymmetrical contests can only be resolved, excluding another holocaust, by the dominant party making sincere peace overtures.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A return to the accepted 1967 borders, negotiating a limited but generous right of return for refugees and providing massive compensation would deligitimise Palestinian armed resistance overnight.  In return, Israeli Jews must receive a guarantee of political and religious freedom as in, for example, a bi-national state model.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And Israel must abandon its apartheid era ideology of a Jewish majority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-6523420692717726922?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.kbrm.org.nz/contact.html' title='More kbrm.org.nz feedback 25 Jan 2009'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/6523420692717726922/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/03/more-kbrmorgnz-feedback-25-jan-2009.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6523420692717726922'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6523420692717726922'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/03/more-kbrmorgnz-feedback-25-jan-2009.html' title='More kbrm.org.nz feedback 25 Jan 2009'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-6546450205704556858</id><published>2009-03-14T22:51:00.010+13:00</published><updated>2009-04-07T12:13:57.390+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gaza'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='feedback'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm.org'/><title type='text'>Let's dig deeper into the KBRM fan club's bias</title><content type='html'>The earliest fan letters posted on &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/contact.html"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; feedback page are dated Jan 22 2009.  Starting  at the top of the list, we have:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);"&gt;Dear People , I was thrilled to spot your advert in the ODT  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);" id="red" class="s"&gt;Jan 22/09&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);"&gt; As a regular watcher of HONEST REPORTING I am so very pleased to find some Kiwis dedicated to remedying the bias exhibited by much of the media. Keep up the good work.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);"&gt; Balclutha&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.honestreporting.com/"&gt;Honest Reporting&lt;/a&gt;'s lack of balance is clearly illustrated on its home page where it posts a video of &lt;a href="http://http//www.alqassam.ps/english/"&gt;Hamas &lt;/a&gt;fighters supposedly using children as human shields.  Only problem is, the children in question appear to have wandered into the line of fire from Israeli soldiers, who we know kill Palestinian children without compunction, and the militants are risking their own lives to get the kids to safety, under fire.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.b%27tselem.org/"&gt;B'Tselem&lt;/a&gt; reports that in 2008 Israelis killed 455 Palestinians, including 175 civilians of which 87 (50%) were children.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In contrast, 21 Israeli civilians (including 4 children) were killed in Palestinian attacks during the same period (2008).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The above statistics exclude casualties from the commencement of Operation Cast Lead 23 Dec 2008, which, of course, as a massacre, skews the imbalance even more in Israel's favour.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Looks like Honest Reporting needs an honesty watchdog itself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then we have:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="color: rgb(128, 0, 128);"&gt; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Hi, We have been following the reports on the situation in Gaza and feel that the press is not telling whole story. We support Israel's action, as they are continually being fired on by Hamas and are only protecting their own position.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;hr style="font-style: italic;" width="25%"&gt;  &lt;p style="color: rgb(128, 0, 128); font-style: italic;"&gt; It was good to read your material — it's a shame that many NZers including some of my family can only criticise the Israelis although they admit that some response to the Hamas rockets was needed. From discussion with my neighbours, I note that there is widespread support for the Israeli action.&lt;/p&gt;Do these people not understand that the West Bank and Gaza are, according to the UN, under military occupation?  Resistance to occupation is legal under international law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Furthermore, far from "protecting their own position", Israel has placed Gaza under siege, in international law, a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casus_belli"&gt;casus belli,&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; so&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Hamas has a quinella of reasons to attack the IDF.  But Hamas is to be condemned for targeting civilians, and if Hamas is condemned, so is Israel 10 times over in 2008, let alone the so far horrific 2009.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Who would be punished more in a properly constituted war crimes hearing?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, this little gem:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);"&gt;Hi to the balanced media folk,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);"&gt;  Made my day/week/month etc. to come across your advert. in this morning's ( Jan. 22 ) ODT.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);"&gt; Then on to your computer site. Excellent, excellent, excellent. Because of your going public like this, many people who are being ( often unknowingly ) brainwashed, will, hopefully, see the truth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(204, 51, 204);"&gt; I'm absolutely sick of this anti-Israel bias. I angrily switch off the BBC when their constant bias is parroted.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(204, 51, 204);"&gt;  Thanks again&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Well now, aside from the obvious contradiction in terms (who is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;knowingly&lt;/span&gt; brainwashed, pray tell?), accusing others of being brainwashed is an easy way out of justifying one's views with evidence and clear reasoning.  And this writer must be watching an imaginary version of the BBC which is so in thrall to Israel it &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7848614.stm"&gt;refuses to even assist raising funds for the humanitarian aid to Palestinians&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally, I see little evidence of "anti-Israel" bias, quite the reverse. Moreover, the free use, or misuse, of the term &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;anti-semitism&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to abuse those who criticise Israel's &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;actions&lt;/span&gt; is simply a disgraceful attempt to stifle free speech.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it's a bit rich when the writer is praising a well-funded organisation that is able to flood our newspapers with expensive advertisements/propaganda &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;and&lt;/span&gt; when one considers the power of the obscenely well-funded "Jewish Lobby" in the US, which contributes so much to that country's complicity in the ongoing mass murder of Palestinians.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-6546450205704556858?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.kbrm.org.nz/contact.html' title='Let&apos;s dig deeper into the KBRM fan club&apos;s bias'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/6546450205704556858/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/03/lets-dig-deeper-into-kbrm-fan-clubs.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6546450205704556858'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/6546450205704556858'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/03/lets-dig-deeper-into-kbrm-fan-clubs.html' title='Let&apos;s dig deeper into the KBRM fan club&apos;s bias'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-4650215370826689644</id><published>2009-03-12T13:27:00.028+13:00</published><updated>2009-04-22T01:31:48.644+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='david swartz'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='misquotation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='simon kuttner'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='aipac'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='letters'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='distortion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kiwis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='gisborne herald'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rodney brooks'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='falsehoods'/><title type='text'>A Gisborne Herald discussion</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;The &lt;a href="http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/"&gt;Gisborne Herald&lt;/a&gt; has an excellent website and generously facilitates a vibrant &lt;a href="http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/Articles/?tg=Letters%20To%20The%20Editor"&gt;Letters to the Editor &lt;/a&gt;section.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;My interest was aroused when I chanced upon a letter from Rodney Brooks, replying to a previous correspondent, that just seemed to encapsulate all that one hears about the dogged determination of what in the US is called the Israel Lobby, headed by the &lt;a href="http://www.aipac.org/"&gt;American Israel Public Affairs Committee&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This quote from a statement released by Chas Freeman, who was recently forced to resign from his new appointment as Chairman of the National Intelligence Council is revealing:&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/03/10/freeman_speaks_out_on_his_exit"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;The tactics of the Israel Lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (click on link for full report).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In my opinion, Dr Brooks commits all these sins. Here is the letter published on the &lt;a href="http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/"&gt;Gisborne Herald&lt;/a&gt; website:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If Mr Gretton will look at my letter again, he will see that there was no attack on his person — only on his (inaccurate) charges. Historic Palestine was not ‘wiped off the map’, but was divided, as were other Arab parts of the Ottoman Empire, into Jordan, Israel and a Palestinian state, the latter division taking place in 1948. However the land intended for the Palestinian state was instead taken over by Jordan and Egypt. While some of the Arabs who left Israel were ‘expelled’, most fled voluntarily from a war that they (the Arabs) had started. However Jews living in the lands taken by Jordan and Egypt were expelled or murdered — all of them. As for the Arabs that stayed, 1.4 million today are full-fledged citizens of Israel and have been from the beginning. There is an Arab Cabinet Minister, Arab Israelis in the diplomatic service, an Arab High Court Judge and other Arab judges in the lower courts. Life may not be ideal, but polls show that Arabs in Israel would rather remain Israeli citizens than become part of a Palestinian state, and that says a lot.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;p&gt;Rodney Brooks, Chairman&lt;br /&gt;Kiwis for Balanced Reporting on the Mideast&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It's impossible to cover so much blatant distortion (the same charge, to be fair, these Israel lobbyists apply to those who present the true facts) within the limitations of a letter to a newspaper. Inevitably, one is required to be selective.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This was my submission in reply, kindly published by the Editor:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Red Herrings rather than facts &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;table id="DataList1_ctl00_Table1" border="0"&gt; &lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr id="DataList1_ctl00_TableRow2"&gt;&lt;td id="DataList1_ctl00_TableCell2" style="padding-top: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span id="DataList1_ctl00_Label5" style="color: rgb(73, 73, 73);font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12;"  &gt;Wednesday, 25 February 2009&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr id="DataList1_ctl00_TableRow3"&gt;       &lt;td id="DataList1_ctl00_TableCell3"&gt;&lt;span id="DataList1_ctl00_Label2" style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-weight: bold;font-family:tahoma;font-size:12;"  &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;      &lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr id="DataList1_ctl00_TableRow4"&gt;       &lt;td id="DataList1_ctl00_TableCell4" style="padding-top: 20px;"&gt;&lt;span id="DataList1_ctl00_Label3" style="line-height: 20px;font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12;color:Black;"   &gt;Dr Rodney Brooks' latest missive is his usual litany of misleading information, and red herrings presented as cast-iron facts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His assertion that historic Palestine was divided between Jordan, a Palestine state and Israel, is incorrect and a typical red herring.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;British Mandate Palestine recognised the traditional, albeit unofficial, border of the Jordan River.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jordan was not allocated any Palestinian territory in the Partition Plan. And he ignores the fact that Israel has all but annexed the majority of the land allocated to a Palestinian state.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr Brooks persists that "the Arabs" started the war. In fact, after the passing of UN Resolution 181, November 29, 1947, a recommendation only, rightfully rejected by Palestinians, Palestinian notables called for a three-day general strike and demonstrations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As is usual in such charged circumstances, demonstrators engaged in acts of vandalism, involving mainly Jewish shops, and these were used as an excuse by the Jewish forces for terrorist attacks on Palestinians villages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus began a systematic campaign of massacres and forced expulsion by the Zionists, who had formulated the principle of expelling Palestine's indigenous population as far back as 1897.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr Brooks, like Israeli citizens who themselves are denied the truth by their official historians, continues to deny the events Palestinians named "al nakba", the catastrophe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The evidence that this ethnic cleansing was organised and systematic is overwhelmingly proved by Israel's own declassified documents and the personal papers of many Jewish leaders of that era.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And you never see Dr Brooks referring to Palestinians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They are always the catch-all "Arabs", as well as Israeli propaganda to delegitimise Palestinians as a pre-existing people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I urge you to consider carefully before publishing without independent verification the blatant Israeli propaganda trotted out so faithfully by Dr Brooks and his artfully misnamed "organisation".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt; &lt;p&gt;Boy oh boy, did this letter get some attention from the Kiwi Israel Lobby.  Dr Brooks was in boots and all, as was David Swartz and a fellow from "&lt;a href="http://www.nzfoi.org.nz/"&gt;NZ Friends of Israel Association, Inc&lt;/a&gt;."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I was busy for a few days, then fell sick, so I didn't even check if that little effort was published, but when I next logged on it was evident it had, as my name seemed to be everywhere on the letters pages!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And I learnt a few lessons from the replies of the above gentleman.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I must try to be as unambiguous as possible.  All accused me of being unaware of the facts of the division of the Mandate. It's yet another example of the way clever debaters jump on any lack of clarity.  Israel's propaganda has always tried to deny the legitimacy of Palestine as a nation state, and I assumed Dr Brooks was simply continuing that line.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Of course Palestine has never been a nation, rather, it was always a colonial province of each of the empires that held sway over that area at any one time.  This fact does not diminish its claim as deserving of self-determination, as was granted many other former colonies now fully fledged members of the United Nations.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So the second lesson is, don't assume.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And another lesson is, just stick to the facts and don't get side-tracked with remarks that seem clever at the time, but just enables "them" to evade the real issue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;After all, these are people who really do believe Moses led a million or so people into a desert where they wandered for 40 years, leaving no verifiable trace whatsoever, then emerged to defeat a great army.  Oh dear.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;form name="form1" method="post" action="ArticlesPrint.aspx?id=9637" id="form1"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;table id="Table2" border="0"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;table id="Table3" style="padding-top: 40px;" border="0"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/form&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-4650215370826689644?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz' title='A Gisborne Herald discussion'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/4650215370826689644/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/03/gisborne-herald-discussion.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/4650215370826689644'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/4650215370826689644'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/03/gisborne-herald-discussion.html' title='A Gisborne Herald discussion'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-4165155323680836727</id><published>2009-03-11T13:26:00.010+13:00</published><updated>2009-04-22T01:29:37.603+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='benny morris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rodney brooks'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='debate'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='simon kuttner'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='finkelstein'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='honest reporting'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><title type='text'>Debate is important</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;I fail to see the point of not engaging with those whose views differ from mine, at least until both parties arrive at basically irreconcilable, major points of difference.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For me, that can often be when the Bible is quoted as history rather than for spiritual purposes, unless I can present clear, compelling evidence to the contrary.  Without evidence, views are subjective.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I am disappointed when courteous, evidence-based debate is cut short by those with different views before a genuine stand-off is reached.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is an exchange of emails between myself and &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/"&gt;Kiwis for Balanced Reporting in the Mideast&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;which illustrates my point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sent 15/02/09&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;style&gt;&lt;/style&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Hi guys, after reading your advertisement in Friday's NZ  Herald, I responded with this letter to the editor:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kiwis for Balanced Reporting on the Middle East (advertisement, NZ Herald  Nov 13) perpetuates many of the myths surrounding the formation of the state of  Israel, including the ‘right to exist.’  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;In fact, there is no such concept in  international law. Instead, states are granted recognition within secure  and recognised boundaries.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;The Palestine Liberation Organisation and  the surrounding Arab states have repeatedly offered this recognition since the  1970s. Israel’s response was to elevate its demand for recognition to an  unconditional right to exist.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Palestinians will never offer this to  Israel because it would have the practical effect of extinguishing their  precious, legal, inalienable, right of return; this right was affirmed by UN  Resolution 194, passed on December 11, 1948 and reaffirmed every year since.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Of course, obstructing this legal right of  return is the reason Israel invented its mythical right to exist.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;As soon as Israel ceases its decades long  military and economic offensive against Palestinians and allows eligible  refugees to exercise their right to return the conflict will cease and the  process of truth and reconciliation will begin.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Quite simply, in terms of resolving this  conflict for good, nothing else matters.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;I don't know if it will be  published, but you can see our narratives don't quite match.  I have now taken  the time to peruse your website and  I can see why.  Apparently, your definition  of "balanced" is pretty close to that of Fox News whose idea of balance is  laughable, in my opinion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;However, I am quite sure  you would have a similar view of my thoughts. I was one critical of Laws, for  example, whose letter was published alongside that of one of your members in the  Sunday Star-Times. Perhaps unlike some fellow disputants, I am interested in  truth, above all else, and avoid abuse.  A problem, of course, is that truth is  often anything but objective.  So Benny Morris and Norman Finklestein, for  example, can look at the same facts and draw totally opposing conclusions. I  have watched them do just that in a debate hosted by Democracy Now. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;I regard your  advertisements as textbook propaganda, therefore, by definition, clever,  effective and dangerous. It's impossible to rebut all the selective and  misleading facts and statements of that Herald advertisement in 200 words or  less in a letter to the editor,  which is why I chose to focus on the right to  exist issue. But I am happy to spend the time and provide a full rebuttal, if  you will publish it on your site. And generally, since you say you are balanced,  apply some much needed, in my opinion, counterweight on behalf of the  P&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;alestinians on a regular basis.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;A solution to the  conflict will eventually emerge. In the absence of genocide by the Israelis,  and, with highly refined nuclear weapons in its holster, that option is always  on the table, although I honestly do not believe they would,  my senses tell me  it will be the Israelis who give way to the inevitable.  But how many,  inevitably, overwhelmingly relatively defenceless Palestinians,  will die in the  process? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Look forward to hearing  from you.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Kind regards&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Luc Hansen.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Reply received 15/02/09&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="text-body-indent" lang="en-AU"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Hi Luc&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt; Please send me the specific statements (in quotes) from the KBRM  ad that you think are "myths" (i.e., untrue) and I will respond to  you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sincerely,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Simon Kuttner, KBRM spokesperson&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sent 17/02/09&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hi Simon&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;style&gt;&lt;/style&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;I do think that arguing over historical events very  much misses the heart of the problem for Israel, which I will touch on later.  For the time being, however, let's play the game.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have already covered the "right to exist" myth. But the  really interesting point here is the fact that Israel actually feels the need to  be constantly reassured of it's legitimacy. Israel actually draws it's  legitimacy from the fact of other states (no matter how unprincipled or  self-interested were their reasons for doing so), and the US in particular,  granting it recognition, not from the partition plan recommended by the General  Assembly but never implemented.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Two other myths specifically mentioned in your ad are that  "...many Arabs fled from the war that they (the Arabs) had started," where you  appear to be denying the reality of the organised campaign of expulsion of  Palestinian Arabs which resulted in 13000 Palestinian Arab deaths, most simply  executed, and that "the world did nothing to protect the young Jewish nation it  had created." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;As to the latter, nascent Israel needed no help at all as  it was born "the local superpower." I urge you to post a link on your website to  &lt;a href="http://tinyurl.com/9zfee2"&gt;http://tinyurl.com/9zfee2&lt;/a&gt; in which a  former Foreign Minister of Israel proves the case that these are, indeed, myths.  It's quite a read and very informative. And Ben Ami describes himself as "an  ardent Zionist," so can hardly be dismissed as biased against Israel, which, of  course, he is not.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;More misleading than myth, although the myth of the  existence of a previous Jewish kingdom is implied through the reference to  "Biblical times", is your "Background" section, and the implication of  brotherhood and goodwill between Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs. But I think  I have given you enough to digest at the moment. And I am not yet convinced you  will place any of this on your website, anyway, although I do hope you prove me  wrong.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now back to Israel's biggest problem. Although initially  successful in conquering Palestine (yes, recently arrived European Jews arrived  with the set plan of conquering Palestine), the Palestinian Arabs have not faded  away. They now outnumber Israeli Jews and I think I read that they will  outnumber the Israeli Jews 2:1 by 2040. How long will the world stand by and watch  this brutal, one-sided war against the Palestinian Arabs continue? A rich,  largely white European minority, and a diminishing minority at that, living in  splendidly guarded luxury while behind the walls the Palestinian Arabs live a  life of grinding poverty in their bantustans, constantly harassed, regularly  slaughtered, by their Jewish jailers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;All the myths in the world won't save Israel then. And the  two state solution will never work because Palestinians in the street have  proved they will never give up their claim to THEIR land. The end for  Israel will quicken if the Israeli government's worst nightmare is realised as  the dwindling net immigration inflow turns into an outflow in the face of  increasingly effective Palestinian Arab resistance.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for your time. I await with interest your response  and postings on your website.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cheers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Received 19/02.09&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Any refugee solution would involve them returning to the borders of a  Palestinian State. I have already responded to the status of refugees in an  earlier email. The fact is that 98 percent of Israelis would be willing to go  back to the 1967 ceasefire lines IF there was a genuine peace partner and  despite the security risks. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, extreme statements can be found on both sides. However, if you cannot  differentiate between what the majority of Israelis and their leaders desire and  believe in and what the majority of Palestinains and their leaders want and  believe in, then I see a serious problem.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I find it interesting that because you have found certain Israelis saying  things, you believe that your convictions regarding Israel have been proven and  Israel's position 'debunked'. The sense for the truth and what is right has  nothing to do with an opinion of a certain individual that may provide support  for your convictions. Many people in high positions say things. This does not  mean it is correct.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you for your time.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regards&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Simon&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Sent&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;style&gt;&lt;/style&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;But on the basis that the squeaky wheel gets the oil,  perhaps you could help me out.  I am interested in the answer to this question:  what exactly does Israel, and by extension, you and your supporters, want and  what's in it for the Palestinians who were expelled from their land 1947-53 and  again in 1967?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why don't you post this on your website? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;And perhaps peruse Haaretz and find the article where Bibi  declares his support for a Palestinian State "but not at our expense." Maybe you  guys could ask him:  "At whose expense was the State of Israel formed?"  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, you are fond of posting extreme statements  from Hamas, particularly, but I can show you plenty of extreme stuff from the  other side too. Just go and look at the blogs on  israelnationalnews.com.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Come on, what's YOUR ideal final deal?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kind regards&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Received 22/02/09&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are my final comments:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why should the Israelis give back whatever was "conquered/occupied" ? Will  New Zealand be giving back Aotearoa to the Maoris, Australia to the Aboriginies,  the US to the Indians etc. None of these countries were established by rights of  a UN resolution - they were conquered/colonised/occupied in the name of  religion/the Empire etc. In 1948 Israel was established by the UN and then  attacked and invaded by the neighbouring Arabs. Those that attacked and those  that fled as exorted to do so by the local Al Husseini Palestinian leadership  (who had campaigned on Hitler's behalf during the war) do not retain inherent  rights to return for all eternity. They were not deported, thrown out,  persecuted and in fact were urged to stay, as many did. The Jewish residents and  citizens of Arab countries who left after 1948 do not demand to return even  though they were only allowed to leave after their possessions had been  confiscated by the state.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for return by the Palestinians who fled after 1967 - they can  certainly return to the same areas they left if Israel returns to pre-1967  borders to live in peace with a Palestinian state that will exist there- this is  almost exactly what the UN decided in November 1947.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You ask if  Israel expects the refugees to give up their legal right to return ? Do  you expect Israel to give up its legal/moral right to exist ?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Where  do you get the impression that the mood is swinging in favour of a 1 state  solution and not a 2 state one ? Whose mood - yours ? The corrupt PLO ? Why are  the Hamas any better - because they are better at killing  Israelis??&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, you are right - the majority of Israelis do want the  Palestinians to go away and live in their own state, free from occupation by the  colonising Israelis, in freedom under their own pluralistic, democratic,  peace-loving leadership on the other side of a border, next to Israel in the  pre-1967 borders that you so much wants to nonsense. Israel does imprison  palestinians from the "Occupied Territories" - the ones that engage in violence  and incitement to violence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for your exercise at the bottom - it is  precisely for that reason that the majority of Israelis want to return to the  1967 borders - they don't want to be a conquering minority of a conquered  majority - the country where the  conquered majority lived in 1967 attacked  Israel and as a result got conquered by the conquering minority (its called  war..). Because that country doesn't want to receive control again of the land  where the conquered majority lives, even though they have been offered, the  conquering minority have been stuck with the conquered majority ever since (not  to mention having improved their standard of living..) The majority of the  conquering minority would be only too happy to let the conquered majority govern  themselves in a peaceful manner - in the meantime they have somehow been unable  to find someone worthy or willing of such a task. Maybe the issue is really the  "willing" part - for this would end the Palestinians right to struggle, end  their leaders' reasons/rights for keeping them in squalid refugee camps and  force them to recognise that Israel is here to stay.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sent 01/03/09&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;style&gt;&lt;/style&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Hi again Simon,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am sure you will excuse the time delay as your  last message covered a lot of ground, and work and family keeps me pretty busy,  but I assure you I am very happy to think the issues through as you raise them.   In replying to you, I will take it one sentence at a time, sort of, to keep it  simple and, hopefully, factual. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Talking about factual, do you and Dr Brooks really  believe that there was once, or is that twice, in pre-modern times, a great  Jewish nation called Israel?  And that Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians and  the Romans? And exiled by the Romans?  Surely you guys do know this is all myth?  Have you read Karen Armstrong's "Battle for God"?  Allow me to present a couple  of quotes. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, she writes, regarding the "Exodus" story,  "The story has been deliberately written as a myth, and linked with other  stories..." (Introduction, pxiv).  It's what creatives do, make things up, make  them seem real, but to make a point. Today, we call it fiction.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second, look at this quote. "Kook died in 1935...He  did not live to see the terrible expedients to which the Jews would feel driven  in order to create a state for themselves in Arab Palestine.  He never witnessed  the expulsion of 750,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948, nor the Arab and  Jewish blood spilled in the Arab-Israeli wars". (p188) &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of her main themes is that when myth is  interpreted as a cause for action in the real world the results can  be disastrous.  Jews in particular have been probably the most victimised by  this approach, yet are now the perpetrators of evil acts (in my humble opinion).  And yes, I know the other side does evil too, and I wish they wouldn't, but they  are a people absolutely brutalised by Israeli oppression, which, it appears,  Israelis don't understand that one day it will come to an end. And the longer it  takes to end it, the worse it will be for the Israelis, in my  opinion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, first sentence: "Why should the Israelis  give back whatever was "conquered/occupied"?  How about you think of it as  returning what belongs to others?  Thus, it is a decent, just and moral action  rather than ongoing indecent, unjust and immoral action.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Will New Zealand...Australia..the US...be giving  back... to (the conquered). You missed my point, I feel.  Permanent seizure of  territory demands either genocide or swamping or a combination of both.  NZ, US  and Australia accomplished this.  The Zionists did not, to their credit, attempt  genocide, and their attempt at swamping has failed.  Immigration (aliyah) has  tailed off and Palestinians reproduce, according to the CIA Factbook, at over  twice the rate of Israeli Jews.  Israel, in terms of a "Jewish majority",  has a  demographic problem within and without. The Zionist colonisation project is just  going to get drowned in Arab semen (joke, sort of).     &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;"In 1948 Israel was  established by the UN..." Well, no, a Partition Plan was recommended.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;  It was not accepted by Palestinians.  End of story. May 11, 1949  was when Israel was accepted into the UN and then only because the US, the new  western superpower, support for Israel made it a fait accompli.  However, Israel  does exist. Why worry about how?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Invaded by Arab nations..."  By May, 1948, Israel  had already expelled 2-300,000 Palestinians and occupied some 80% of the land  allocated to a Palestinian state.  And the Arab states were always reluctant to  enter into a war with the Jews and finally did so because word of Jewish  atrocities filtered into their streets causing public pressure, and they mainly  only entered areas allocated to Palestine, to defend Palestinians.  Anyway, as  Ben Ami points out, the Jews knew they were always going to win. So what's the  point of persisting in this myth?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the debate between expulsion or fleeing or  following instructions, and the right of return, international law is clear: in  all those circumstances they are all refugees and entitled to return.  End of  story.  "Almost exactly" is not good enough. Res 194 is explicit and reconfirmed  annually. I think the term that applies to Israel hanging its hat on 181 but  denying 194 is "hyprocrisy". Yes?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do I want Israel to give up its right to exist for  the Palestinian right of return?  The right you quote for Israel is  non-existent.  Israel is recognised.  The Palestinian right of return is  affirmed by the UN. A result of exercising right of return, of course, would be  to destroy the Jewish majority. Hey, South Africa survived! Learn to get  along!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;The mood swing to a one-state solution?  Come on,  Simon, books are being published promoting it.  Finkelstein takes it so  seriously he argues against it.  Why one-state?  Because Israel has made the  two-state solution unviable for Palestinians with its ongoing land grabs.   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;We all know Arafat was so corrupt he almost traded  away the right of return, but even he had to step back from the brink. Money is  a side issue here. Hamas is definitely not corrupt, which causes the US and  Israel much distress.  Is Hamas pretty? No way, but you reap what you  sow.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;Your final paragraph.  It is nonsense.  There are  now nearly, if not more than, 500,000 illegal "settlers" in the West Bank.  They  will not go quietly. They believe in their right to be there.  Israel's leading  elite has no intention of returning to the 1967 borders.  Sadat offered peace on  the 1967 borders in 1971, which Israel refused and this refusal led to the war  of 1973. The Arab league renewed its longstanding offer of full normalisation of  relations with Israel based on the 1967 borders and a "just settlement" of the  refugee problem in the aftermath of the recent slaughter in Gaza. For over 30  years this has been the Arab position. Israel is the problem.  Why?  Two  reasons: Israel is not willing to pay the price of the right of return, which,  as Ben Ami points out, only applies to less than one million Palestinians, by  law;  and the interest of the US in keeping the Arab states under their thumb,  terrorised.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;In closing, no country survives for long  (relatively speaking) in a state of continual antagonism with its neighbours.   Peace does break out, one way or the other.  There is no reason Israel can't be  there to stay, but it has to negotiate its survival. Two-state, one-state,  bi-national...you name it, it's all open.  But the clear international consensus  is for two states, based on June 1967 borders and the right of return.  The  Arabs, going even further along the road to peace, only ask for a just  settlement of the refugee issue. Money talks. The stumbling block is always,  since 1971, Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;I think I made the point earlier, it is the  humanitarian issue that is turning the world against Israel.  Israel only  survives at the behest of the US.  The citizens of the US are basically decent  people. I saw one poll that said only a slim majority supported the Xmas attack  on Gaza. That, in terms of US-Israel relations, is ominous for Israel.  It is  digging its own grave.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've enjoyed these discussions with you.  You will  see me around, letters to editors, etc,  as I try to rebut KBRM's misleading  propaganda (oops, tautology, sorry).  On a personal note, I attribute no malice  to you, Dr Brooks or your supporters, I just think you are all misinformed about  historical facts and seduced by religious or  semi-religious fervour.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's just a pity you have to slaughter so many in  the course of your misguided mission.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No reply received and none of my points were posted on their website.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some tidying up is still required.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More analysis will follow when time permits.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;   &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;/span&gt; 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status</title><content type='html'>Click on the title to read an informative and thought provoking essay published in &lt;a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/must-jews-always-see-themselves-as-victims-1639277.html"&gt;The Independent&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-1814650657739889555?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/must-jews-always-see-themselves-as-victims-1639277.html' title='Jews and their coveted victimhood status'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/1814650657739889555/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/03/jews-and-their-coveted-victimhood.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/1814650657739889555'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/1814650657739889555'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/03/jews-and-their-coveted-victimhood.html' title='Jews and their coveted victimhood status'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-7602617477050158831</id><published>2009-02-25T22:46:00.016+13:00</published><updated>2009-04-22T01:27:52.397+12:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mossad'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='simon kuttner'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='balanced'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kiwis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrmrebutted'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gaza'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rodney brooks'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='myth'/><title type='text'>Down to business</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Click the title to read the advertisment recently sent by KBRM to various newspapers throughout New Zealand.  In addition to critically examining advertisements like this, I will also examine articles placed on their website, KBRM members' letters, and site feedback both for and against the KBRM stance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, back to the matter at hand, "Civilian casualties: the missing truth". Let's take a close look at the text, sentence by sentence, even word by word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, the statistics.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;  It's true that 123 Israeli children have been  killed in Palestinian terrorist attacks since 29 Sept 2000, but in the same  period 1487 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And whereas the Israeli children fell victim to indiscriminate terrorist attacks, the Palestinian children were killed by the highly trained IDF using some of the most sophisticated   and accurate weaponry ever produced.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now let us examine the language.  It is highly significant that according to KBRM Israeli children are murdered but the deaths of Palestinian children are merely &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;civilian damage&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the crocodile tears &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;No one likes to see innocent people, especially children, killed in war &lt;/span&gt;reflect the cynical Israeli coping mechanism, "We shoot and we cry".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:Georgia;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ifamericaknew.com/"&gt;ifamericaknew.com&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/%3Cspan%20class=" face="Georgia" size="16px" style=""&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/%3Cspan%20class=" face="Georgia" size="16px" style=""&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/span&gt;lists the names, ages and circumstances of death of each child.  Studying this list would bring true balance to discussion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now more statistics, this time concerning the ludicrous claim that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;two thirds of those killed were militants&lt;/span&gt;.   The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs accepts the Palestinian Ministry of Health figures over the Israeli figures. It puts the death toll at 1440 souls, including 431 children and 114  women (slightly over 1/3 of the total) .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Therefore, by Israel's figures, every Palestinian male over the age of 15 is "Hamas militant".  I prefer the Hamas figure of less than 50 of their foot soldiers killed.  Which is exactly the point I made in this email to &lt;a href="http://www.kbrm.org.nz/"&gt;kbrm.org,&lt;/a&gt; in response to a support letter posted on their website:  &lt;style&gt;&lt;/style&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps you could let Brian know that he has unwittingly  exposed Israel's racist attitude to Palestinians. "Only" 300 women, children and  elderly killed.  What a caring adjective to use about so many defenceless humans  murdered in cold blood. Also, he confirms that Israel considers ALL male  Palestinians between the ages of 16 and 65 to be terrorists, known locally  as resistance fighters.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;Perhaps Dr Brooks could counsel Brian on the subtleties of  propaganda.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;But at least Brian has the courtesy to call Palestinians,  Palestinians, unlike Dr Brooks who unfailingly calls them Arabs, in line with the  Israeli propaganda strategy of denying Palestinians their identity&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;. Palestinians, Syrians, Egyptians, to Dr Brooks, don't exist. Just  Arabs. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;Sincerely&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;Luc Hansen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Although I received no reply, the letter in question, from a Brian Metcalf of Hamilton, NZ, was promptly removed and I noticed that the next advertisement published by KBRM did refer to Palestinians, so I guess I had a couple of small victories there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It makes sense that these guys (Hamas, et al) are getting pretty skilled at taking on the IDF and know how to survive to fight another day.  Bear in mind the IDF did not venture into central Gaza, where the loss of life on both sides would have been considerably higher.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Returning to the advertisement: then there is the contemptible quoting of anonymous "military advisors" who supposedly consider the civilian-militant kill ratio, which, as we have seen, rather than 1:2 could be as high as 13:1, "remarkable".   I presume the "military advisors" are this group's Mossad controllers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, KBRM trot out the old canard of "an enemy that operates from civilian areas and uses civilians as human shields"... well, Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on earth.   And Gaza is completely civilian, in fact, as Gaza, and all of the Palestinian Territories,  is not permitted to have an official military force.  That privilege is reserved for Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Israel just wants the resistance to stand on street corners waving catapults at the Apache slaughtering machines, waiting patiently for their inevitable vaporisation.   Luckily, Palestinians are a lot smarter than that!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-7602617477050158831?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://kbrm.org.nz/Posts/2009/Feb_21.html' title='Down to business'/><link rel='enclosure' type='' href='http://www.ifamericaknew.com' length='0'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/7602617477050158831/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/02/down-to-business.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/7602617477050158831'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/7602617477050158831'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/02/down-to-business.html' title='Down to business'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8095865405860862358.post-2932326922111653858</id><published>2009-02-24T01:08:00.001+13:00</published><updated>2009-10-18T14:33:00.877+13:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='israel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='palestine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='balance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kbrm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='myth'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conflict'/><title type='text'>Why I care</title><content type='html'>Even prior to 1948, Israel has controlled the narrative of the colonisation of Palestine by largely European (Ashkenazi) Jews, while Palestinians have struggled to present a coherent alternative narrative.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Israel has successfully promulgated the myth of a former great Jewish nation, conquered, enslaved and exiled returning to its homeland.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It has successfully promulgated the myth that Palestinians fled their homeland of thousands of years voluntarily.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It has successfully promulgated the myth of a civilised "chosen people" fighting against the uncivilised Arab barbarians who would exile the Jews yet again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it successfully promulgates the myth that Palestinian resistance justifies wholesale slaughter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But a Palestinian narrative is emerging; it is one of tragedy and of abandonment by most nations of the world, and by the UN, especially.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it is one that now must have only one goal: One State, now inevitable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why do I think one state is inevitable?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, the demographics tell us that the Palestinians, much as Israel is desperately trying to encourage it, are not going to disappear.  The total number of Palestinians in Israel, the occupied territories and refugee camps in various Arab states is at least 1.5 times the number of Israeli Jews, and at a birth rate over double that of Israeli Jews, the Palestinians will reach 2 times in the relatively near future.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second, not only is the Palestinian cause just, but Palestinians have shown a dogged determination and they are still there, just over the wall, or just over the hill from the latest illegal Jewish colony, waiting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Third, Israel itself has eliminated any possibility of a viable Palestinian state.  It destroys Palestinian livelihoods; it takes the best land; and it demands total control over borders, telecommunications and utilities.  In effect, Israel has created a series of giant open prisons.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fourth, there are now over 500,000 Jewish settlers, mostly East Europeans who receive Israeli state aid and private US donations, to grab the best land in the occupied West Bank, appropriate the resources, especially water, and build fortress-style large towns deep in Palestinian territory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any return to the international consensus of two states based on the 1967 armistice line seems impossible to fulfill.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I used to think that the settlements would be expendable in final status negotiations, but I no longer hold to that.&amp;nbsp; I now believe they are intended as permanent extensions to the state of Israel and will never be voluntarily relinquished.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8095865405860862358-2932326922111653858?l=kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.palestineremembered.com' title='Why I care'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/feeds/2932326922111653858/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-i-care.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/2932326922111653858'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8095865405860862358/posts/default/2932326922111653858'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kbrmrebutted.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-i-care.html' title='Why I care'/><author><name>Luc Hansen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08537879871439864387</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry></feed>
